[FRIAM] Democracy and evolution

[Alfredo]

Democracy is just an hypocrite and sophist instrument of capitalists but 
we don't know something better. Not yet. I always vote, I respect Laws 
and Constitution but only because society needs an order.

Alfredo


Mike Oliker wrote:

> The Genius of James Madison was to see that a large country with many 
> factions would be freer from factionalism that a small country would 
> be.  The factions would cancel each other out.  Factionalism was the 
> greatest threat to democracy that the founders saw.  Much the same 
> applies to corporations and the marketplace -- we are saturated with 
> islands of self interest, but have a system which has them cancel each 
> other out -- except insofar as they mostly line up, i.e. except for 
> the widely held positions.  It's like filtering out all but the DC signal.
>  
> Democracy as an evolutionary matter, once it is well established, is 
> pretty good at allowing agreement to emerge from the cacophony of 
> viewpoints.  It's rapid spread (from one to more than 100 democracies 
> in two centuries) attests to it's evolutionary superiority.
>  
> There has never been a time when those in power didn't believe in 
> suppressing all other viewpoints.  It is the essence of all 
> non-democracies.  In democracies people always want to achieve that, 
> but they they are structurally inhibited.  If they ever succeed, then 
> they are no longer have a democracy.  "Democracy is Well Established" 
> == "No One can Suppress all other Points of View"
>  
> Mike Oliker
>  
>
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>     Phil Henshaw wrote:
>     > The ideal product of democracy is decision making that reflects
>     a whole understanding of things by integrating all points of
>     view.   Trouble develops when the points of view that believe in
>     suppressing all others take over.  
>     >  
>     I have my doubts about the evolutionary value of democracy in the
>     modern
>     world.   For example, in the corporate world the motivation is
>     supplied
>     by stockholders and the points of view are supplied by employees. 
>     Worse, the corporate leaders, workers, and stockholders are all
>     different people, disinterested in the welfare of one another.  
>     Complicating matters is that the corporations have the ear of
>     government.  Democracy in these kinds of conditions requires
>     individual
>     courage and idealism.
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