[FRIAM] 100 billion neurons

[steve smith]

On Jul 10, 2006, at 4:13 PM, Douglas Roberts wrote:

> I hesitate to point this out... Wait a minute, that 's not correct.  I 
> *rush* to point this out:  The conversation has become a bit neurotic 
> by now, wouldn't you all agree?
>  
> --Doug (Still on vacation, somewhere in Utah's canyon country today).
Wait, wait, the canyon country *I* know of in Utah doesn't have *any* 
wireless access.   Doug's AI back in NM is speaking on his behalf!   
Let's add Paranoid (me) to Neurotic while we are at it.
>
>  
> On 7/10/06, Frank Wimberly <wimberly3 at earthlink.net> wrote: Back in 
> the 1980's Hans and I had offices next to each other in the
>> Robotics Institute at Carnegie Mellon.  Over a period of a couple of
>> years we had numerous arguments about whether machines could realize
>> consciousness; whether a human mind could be transferred to a machine,
>> etc.  I remember saying that if somehow my "mind" were transferred 
>> from
>> my body to some robot--which I felt was impossible--it might be that
>> everyone else would agree that it was a remarkable likeness but that I
>> would be gone.  Hans replied that I undervalued myself--that I am
>> software not hardware.  After many arguments along these lines I said,
>> "Hans, I now understand why you don't understand what I am saying 
>> about
>> consciousness--you don't have it."  This was all in good humor and 
>> later
>> when I was teaching a course in AI to MBA students I invited Hans to
>> continue our debate in class.  A good time was had by all, I hope.
>>
>> Frank
>>
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: friam-bounces at redfish.com [mailto: friam-bounces at redfish.com] On
>> Behalf Of Martin C. Martin
>> Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2006 7:16 PM
>> To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
>> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] 100 billion neurons
>>
>> I suspect you'd like Hans Moravec's books:
>>
>> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0674576187
>> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0195136306
>>
>>  He uses Moore's law and estimates of the brain's computing power to
>> calculate when we'll have human equivalence in "a computer."  I forget
>> the date, but it's not far.  He also talks about a number of very
>>  interesting consequences of this.
>>
>> - Martin
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