[FRIAM] Sour's Ear to Silk Purse
Nicholas Thompson
nickthompson at earthlink.net
Sun Feb 17 13:34:36 EST 2008
Robert,
Thanks for these comments. Are you actually a person who could make me
understand Bayes intuitively, a little bit?
You could have free coffee from me anytime you wanted to try that.
The question was, given a panzy, what is the probability of [panzy-blooming
April 1 in Santa Fe]. So the data could be faulted in two different ways.
Tree-hugger Jones could know know what a panzy is, and report the blooming
of a "forget-me-not" on April first; or TJ could he could have the date
wrong. Or he could report his geographic coordinates wrong. The hardest
of these is the plant identification part, I would think.
This reminds me of a conversation I used to have with my dad when I was
trying to learn bird watching from him. The whole thing about bird
watching is to see a rare species, or a common species at a rare time. So
I would ask, "So DAD what bird is that?" and he would reply, "It's a
yellow shafted flicka, son." And I would say, so how do you know it isnt a
red-shafted flicka?" And he would reply, "We dont HAVE those here."
What would the Reverend have to say about that?
Nick
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> 1. Re: Santa Fe Complex BarCamp March 7 and 8 (?) (Steve Smith)
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> 3. Re: Science Tatoos (Pamela McCorduck)
> 4. March 5 Lecture: Terry Borst - Serious Games, Simulations and
> Autonomous Actors in Evolving Worlds (Stephen Guerin)
> 5. Re: The limits of leapfrogging (Saul Caganoff)
> 6. Re: FW: National Science Foundation Update Daily Digest
> Bulletin (Robert Holmes)
> 7. Re: limits of leapfrogging (Prof David West)
> 8. Hosting + CMS? (Owen Densmore)
> 9. Re: Hosting + CMS? (Robert Holmes)
> 10. Re: Hosting + CMS? (Alfredo CV)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 11:21:56 -0700
> From: Steve Smith <sasmyth at swcp.com>
> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Santa Fe Complex BarCamp March 7 and 8 (?)
> To: stephen.guerin at redfish.com, The Friday Morning Applied Complexity
> Coffee Group <friam at redfish.com>
> Message-ID: <47B729C4.1070101 at swcp.com>
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> Sounds good...
>
> I'm surprised, however, that a "distributed BilConference" hasn't
> emerged... satellite meetings at places like the Complex.
>
> I would encourage/support/help make this happen, 'cepting I'll be on the
> road March 1,2
>
> When DO our distributed, collaborative tools support this?
>
> - steve
> > So, how about a Santa Fe Complex BarCamp on March 7,8 at
> > http://www.santafecomplex.org? Out of towners can camp in the space and
*maybe*
> > Simon has an alternative offering for a few :-)
> >
> > -Stephen
> >
> > --- -. . ..-. .. ... .... - .-- --- ..-. .. ... ....
> > Stephen.Guerin at Redfish.com
> > www.Redfish.com
> > 624 Agua Fria Street, Santa Fe, NM 87501
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 11:52:55 -0800 (PST)
> From: Ross Goeres <rawscores at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [FRIAM] Science Tatoos
> To: rawscores <rawscores at yahoo.com>
> Message-ID: <363057.6678.qm at web53110.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
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>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlzimmer/sets/72157601351535771/detail/
>
> The ruler on the forearm is about as close as they get to my idea of
tattooing
> logarithmic scales on my forearms for use as slide rules...
>
>
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 15:36:15 -0500
> From: Pamela McCorduck <pamela at well.com>
> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Science Tatoos
> To: rawscores at yahoo.com, The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee
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> Fabulous! I'll pass them on.
>
> P.
>
>
> On Feb 16, 2008, at 2:52 PM, Ross Goeres wrote:
>
> >
> > http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlzimmer/sets/72157601351535771/detail/
> >
> > The ruler on the forearm is about as close as they get to my idea of
> > tattooing
> > logarithmic scales on my forearms for use as slide rules...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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>
> "Those who act will suffer.
> suffer into truth"--
> What Aeschylus omitted:
> those who cannot act will suffer too.
>
> Jane Hirshfield, "Those Who Cannot Act" in "After"
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 13:54:43 -0700
> From: "Stephen Guerin" <stephen.guerin at redfish.com>
> Subject: [FRIAM] March 5 Lecture: Terry Borst - Serious Games,
> Simulations and Autonomous Actors in Evolving Worlds
> To: <friam at redfish.com>
> Cc: tborst at compuserve.com
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> ** Note this will be the first lecture at http://www.santafecomplex.org **
>
> SPEAKER: Terry Borst
> Content designer and scriptwriter
>
> TITLE: Serious Games, Simulations and Autonomous Actors in Evolving Worlds
>
> LOCATION: 632 Agua Fria http://www.santafecomplex.org
>
> TIME: Wednesday, March 5, 12:30p
>
> Lunch will be available for purchase for $5
>
> ABSTRACT: An informal presentation of some recent leadership training
games in
> real-time 3D environments -- with an eye towards advancing from the highly
> contained simulations of version 1.0 products to more expansive future
versions
> which could benefit from the application of intelligent agents, cognitive
> architectures, and other adaptable and autonomous systems. Brief demos
and
> playthroughs will lead to some of the processes pursued in developing and
> building these games currently, and the inevitable limitations of these
> processes. How much can we integrate narrative, pedagogy, interactivity,
and
> world autonomy, and what kind of design and process tools might further
this
> integration?
>
> About Terry Borst: I'm a film and television writer who has also been
scripting
> and collaborating on the design of entertainment videogames and (more
recently)
> training and educational games for more than a decade. Just over a year
ago, I
> co-authored Story and Simulations for Serious Games (published by Focal
Press),
> a "handbook" for the design, representation, and production of digitally
> delivered training environments. We are at the precipice of radically
> redefining the nature of story, narrative, and learned experience, and I'm
> interested in seeing how we can use new tools to further this leap into
the
> unknown. Find out more at http://www.terryborst.com.
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 10:18:05 +1100
> From: "Saul Caganoff" <scaganoff at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] The limits of leapfrogging
> To: "The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group"
> <friam at redfish.com>
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> A corrollary to this is that ignoring technologies may choke off
> access to new industries. Australia has (by choice?) no manufacturing
> facilities for computer chips. But a lot of the new advances in
> biotech builds on silicon chip technologies. A lesson for govts who
> think they can pick "winners" vs "losers"
>
> On 2/15/08, Owen Densmore <owen at backspaces.net> wrote:
> > The economist has a thought provoking article on the limits of
> > leapfrogging:
> > http://www.economist.com/opinion/displaystory.cfm?story_id=10650775
> > .. and attached for convenience.
> >
> > The idea is that, although in a few cases new technologies can be
> > deployed in developing countries .. and sometimes better than the
> > developed countries, new technologies often depend on older ones, thus
> > cannot easily be deployed by leapfrogging the older ones.
> >
> > -- Owen
> >
> > MOBILE phones are frequently held up as a good example of technology's
> > ability to transform the fortunes of people in the developing world.
> > In places with bad roads, few trains and parlous land lines, mobile
> > phones substitute for travel, allow price data to be distributed more
> > quickly and easily, enable traders to reach wider markets and
> > generally make it easier to do business. The mobile phone is also a
> > wonderful example of a "leapfrog" technology: it has enabled
> > developing countries to skip the fixed-line technology of the 20th
> > century and move straight to the mobile technology of the 21st. Surely
> > other technologies can do the same?
> >
> > Alas, the mobile phone turns out to be rather unusual. Its very nature
> > makes it an especially good leapfrogger: it works using radio, so
> > there is no need to rely on physical infrastructure such as roads and
> > phone wires; base-stations can be powered using their own generators
> > in places where there is no electrical grid; and you do not have to be
> > literate to use a phone, which is handy if your country's education
> > system is in a mess. There are some other examples of leapfrog
> > technologies that can promote development?moving straight to local,
> > small-scale electricity generation based on solar panels or biomass,
> > for example, rather than building a centralised power-transmission grid
> > ?but there may not be very many.
> >
> > Indeed, as a recent report from the World Bank points out (see
> > article), it is the presence of a solid foundation of intermediate
> > technology that determines whether the latest technologies become
> > widely diffused. It is all too easy to forget that in the developed
> > world, the 21st century's gizmos are underpinned by infrastructure
> > that often dates back to the 20th or even the 19th. Computers and
> > broadband links are not much use without a reliable electrical supply,
> > for example, and the latest medical gear is not terribly helpful in a
> > country that lacks basic sanitation and health-care facilities. A
> > project to provide every hospital in Ethiopia with an internet
> > connection was abandoned a couple of years ago when it became apparent
> > that the lack of internet access was the least of the hospitals'
> > worries. And despite the clever technical design of the $100 laptop,
> > which is intended to bring computing within the reach of the world's
> > poorest children, sceptics wonder whether the money might be better
> > spent on schoolrooms, teacher training and books.
> >
> > The World Bank's researchers looked at 28 examples of new technologies
> > that achieved a market penetration of at least 5% in the developed
> > world, and found that 23 of them went on to manage a penetration of
> > over 50%. Once early adopters latch onto something new and useful, in
> > other words, the rest of the population can quickly follow. The
> > researchers then considered 67 new technologies that had achieved a 5%
> > penetration in the developing world, and found that only six of them
> > went on to reach 50%. That suggests that although new technologies are
> > often adopted by a small minority of people in poor countries, they
> > then fail to achieve widespread diffusion, so their benefits do not
> > become more generally available.
> >
> > Lavatories before laptops
> > The World Bank concludes that a country's capacity to absorb and
> > benefit from new technology depends on the availability of more basic
> > forms of infrastructure. This has clear implications for development
> > policy. Building a fibre-optic backbone or putting plasma screens into
> > schools may be much more glamorous than building electrical grids,
> > sewerage systems, water pipelines, roads, railways and schools. It
> > would be great if you could always jump straight to the high-tech
> > solution, as you can with mobile phones. But with technology, as with
> > education, health care and economic development, such short-cuts are
> > rare. Most of the time, to go high-tech, you need to have gone medium-
> > tech first.
> >
> >
> >
> > ============================================================
> > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
> > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College
> > lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
> >
>
>
> --
> Saul Caganoff
> Enterprise IT Architect
> LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/scaganoff
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 19:03:59 -0500
> From: "Robert Holmes" <robert at holmesacosta.com>
> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] FW: National Science Foundation Update Daily
> Digest Bulletin
> To: nickthompson at earthlink.net, "The Friday Morning Applied
> Complexity Coffee Group" <friam at redfish.com>
> Message-ID:
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>
> Nick,
>
> Doesn't sound too tricky - as you describe it, it seems a pretty good
> candidate for some form of Bayesian analysis: p(A|B) is proportional to
> p(B|A)p(A), where B="is described as a pansy" and A="is actually a pansy"
>
> You can probably get good empirical values for your priors ("what IS the
> probability of finding a pansy round here?"), which is a pleasant change
for
> Bayesians as they usually guess these values and then spend time trying to
> convince you that the final result isn't sensitive to the priors anyway.
> Also I'd expect that you can probably get reasonable values for
> those conditional probabilities, in consultation with your local flower
> expert.
>
> Robert
>
> On 2/15/08, Nicholas Thompson <nickthompson at earthlink.net> wrote:
> >
> > All --
> >
> > Has anybody thought about how to make use of truly lousy data? There
are
> > increasingly sources of public data on subject matters such as weather
and
> > (see below) flowers and birds where the quality of the data is truly
awful
> > by ordinary standards and yet there is so much of it that it seems a
crime
> > not to try to make use of it. So Sally writes in to say that her
morning
> > glories are in bloom in April when what she means is her pansies. Her
> > neighbor gets the pansies right but screws up on the tithonia. Is there
> > any way to add this all up and get something?
> >
> > thoughts?
> >
> > nick
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Nicholas S. Thompson
> > Research Associate, Redfish Group, Santa Fe, NM (nick at redfish.com)
> > Professor of Psychology and Ethology, Clark University
> > (nthompson at clarku.edu)
> >
> >
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> Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 20:40:29 -0500
> From: "Prof David West" <profwest at fastmail.fm>
> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] limits of leapfrogging
> To: "The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group"
> <friam at redfish.com>
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>
> Late eighties - lowly grad student taking a development course as part
> of his anthropology course. Term paper concerned the feasibility of
> starting a 12volt appliance manufacturing business in Africa with the
> initial market being the RV crowd in the U.S. Within a relatively short
> time the domestic market would pick up as locals earned manufacturing
> wages. Local power to locally purchased appliances would come from
> using the relatively crude solar cell technology of that date. The
> total cost would have been about .4% of what was then being invested in
> establishing hydro power generation and high voltage distribution
> network. Fast forward thirty years and the the Green trend that was
> nascent then is in full flower and more and more effort is being put
> into 12v as people seek to leave the grid. And a solar cell panel on
> each rooftop is far less amenable to a terrorist threat than the single
> tower that can bring down the entire distribution network.
>
> I suspect that there are a lot more opportunities for leapfrogging than
> the establishment would have us believe.
>
>
>
> On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 17:55:16 -0700, "Owen Densmore"
> <owen at backspaces.net> said:
> > The economist has a thought provoking article on the limits of
> > leapfrogging:
> > http://www.economist.com/opinion/displaystory.cfm?story_id=10650775
> > .. and attached for convenience.
> >
> > The idea is that, although in a few cases new technologies can be
> > deployed in developing countries .. and sometimes better than the
> > developed countries, new technologies often depend on older ones, thus
> > cannot easily be deployed by leapfrogging the older ones.
> >
> > -- Owen
> >
> > MOBILE phones are frequently held up as a good example of technology's
> > ability to transform the fortunes of people in the developing world.
> > In places with bad roads, few trains and parlous land lines, mobile
> > phones substitute for travel, allow price data to be distributed more
> > quickly and easily, enable traders to reach wider markets and
> > generally make it easier to do business. The mobile phone is also a
> > wonderful example of a ?leapfrog? technology: it has enabled
> > developing countries to skip the fixed-line technology of the 20th
> > century and move straight to the mobile technology of the 21st. Surely
> > other technologies can do the same?
> >
> > Alas, the mobile phone turns out to be rather unusual. Its very nature
> > makes it an especially good leapfrogger: it works using radio, so
> > there is no need to rely on physical infrastructure such as roads and
> > phone wires; base-stations can be powered using their own generators
> > in places where there is no electrical grid; and you do not have to be
> > literate to use a phone, which is handy if your country's education
> > system is in a mess. There are some other examples of leapfrog
> > technologies that can promote development?moving straight to local,
> > small-scale electricity generation based on solar panels or biomass,
> > for example, rather than building a centralised power-transmission grid
> > ?but there may not be very many.
> >
> > Indeed, as a recent report from the World Bank points out (see
> > article), it is the presence of a solid foundation of intermediate
> > technology that determines whether the latest technologies become
> > widely diffused. It is all too easy to forget that in the developed
> > world, the 21st century's gizmos are underpinned by infrastructure
> > that often dates back to the 20th or even the 19th. Computers and
> > broadband links are not much use without a reliable electrical supply,
> > for example, and the latest medical gear is not terribly helpful in a
> > country that lacks basic sanitation and health-care facilities. A
> > project to provide every hospital in Ethiopia with an internet
> > connection was abandoned a couple of years ago when it became apparent
> > that the lack of internet access was the least of the hospitals'
> > worries. And despite the clever technical design of the $100 laptop,
> > which is intended to bring computing within the reach of the world's
> > poorest children, sceptics wonder whether the money might be better
> > spent on schoolrooms, teacher training and books.
> >
> > The World Bank's researchers looked at 28 examples of new technologies
> > that achieved a market penetration of at least 5% in the developed
> > world, and found that 23 of them went on to manage a penetration of
> > over 50%. Once early adopters latch onto something new and useful, in
> > other words, the rest of the population can quickly follow. The
> > researchers then considered 67 new technologies that had achieved a 5%
> > penetration in the developing world, and found that only six of them
> > went on to reach 50%. That suggests that although new technologies are
> > often adopted by a small minority of people in poor countries, they
> > then fail to achieve widespread diffusion, so their benefits do not
> > become more generally available.
> >
> > Lavatories before laptops
> > The World Bank concludes that a country's capacity to absorb and
> > benefit from new technology depends on the availability of more basic
> > forms of infrastructure. This has clear implications for development
> > policy. Building a fibre-optic backbone or putting plasma screens into
> > schools may be much more glamorous than building electrical grids,
> > sewerage systems, water pipelines, roads, railways and schools. It
> > would be great if you could always jump straight to the high-tech
> > solution, as you can with mobile phones. But with technology, as with
> > education, health care and economic development, such short-cuts are
> > rare. Most of the time, to go high-tech, you need to have gone medium-
> > tech first.
> >
> >
> >
> > ============================================================
> > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
> > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College
> > lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 23:19:56 -0700
> From: Owen Densmore <owen at backspaces.net>
> Subject: [FRIAM] Hosting + CMS?
> To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
> <friam at redfish.com>
> Message-ID: <9BDB7A77-CD90-454A-9ED2-BB43AC2ECB1C at backspaces.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes
>
> We're looking into which Hosting service to use, and what web Content
> Management System to use for our new Santa Fe Complex. Several of us
> have used HostGo and a variety of blog/cms software that they support.
>
> But we may be outgrowing HostGo for The Complex.
>
> Does anyone have suggestions and/or experiences?
>
> One system I'm particularly interested in is Joyent (who bought
> TextDrive), which has built a really interesting system on Ruby on
> Rails + Open Solaris. They clearly have their heart in the right
> place (support open source, make their own code open source, and even
> give away free accounts), but I'm not yet sure if they'd fall down in
> some areas we'll need.
>
> -- Owen
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 08:14:50 -0500
> From: "Robert Holmes" <robert at holmesacosta.com>
> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Hosting + CMS?
> To: "The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group"
> <friam at redfish.com>
> Message-ID:
> <857770150802170514u636824cbkb8c86f36de7ce907 at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Please not HostGo! Otherwise I'll never get any email from you guys
(bounce,
> bounce, bounce....)
>
> One thing we discussed over lunch a week or so ago - how about hosting it
> yourself? You'll probably be able to identify and repair problems faster
> than the typical ISP's customer (non-)service. Plus you get to use
whatever
> open-source CMS you like (Joomla, Drupal etc) without any constraint
imposed
> by the ISP.
>
> Robert
>
>
> On 2/17/08, Owen Densmore <owen at backspaces.net> wrote:
> >
> > We're looking into which Hosting service to use, and what web Content
> > Management System to use for our new Santa Fe Complex. Several of us
> > have used HostGo and a variety of blog/cms software that they support.
> >
> > But we may be outgrowing HostGo for The Complex.
> >
> > Does anyone have suggestions and/or experiences?
> >
> > One system I'm particularly interested in is Joyent (who bought
> > TextDrive), which has built a really interesting system on Ruby on
> > Rails + Open Solaris. They clearly have their heart in the right
> > place (support open source, make their own code open source, and even
> > give away free accounts), but I'm not yet sure if they'd fall down in
> > some areas we'll need.
> >
> > -- Owen
> >
> >
> >
> > ============================================================
> > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
> > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College
> > lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
> >
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> Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 09:12:29 -0500
> From: Alfredo CV <acovaleda at loslibrosusados.net>
> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Hosting + CMS?
> To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
> <friam at redfish.com>
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> Maybe it's what you are looking for. Is one of the choices I'm
> considering to change my current hosting service. Furthermore
> it's not expensive.
>
> http://www.a2hosting.com/
>
> Server run on Linux not in Solaris but offers:
>
> Ruby & Rails
> Perl / CGI-BIN
> PHP 5
> Zend Optimizer
> Python (CGI)
> SQLite 3.x
> SQL Databases: MySQL and/or PostgreSQL
> SSI (Server Side Include)
> SSL (128-bit encryption)
> Shell Access (SSH)
>
>
> They also have Mambo, Drupal, Joomla and other PHP built on CMS.
>
>
>
>
> Robert Holmes wrote:
>
> >Please not HostGo! Otherwise I'll never get any email from you guys
(bounce,
> >bounce, bounce....)
> >
> >One thing we discussed over lunch a week or so ago - how about hosting it
> >yourself? You'll probably be able to identify and repair problems faster
> >than the typical ISP's customer (non-)service. Plus you get to use
whatever
> >open-source CMS you like (Joomla, Drupal etc) without any constraint
imposed
> >by the ISP.
> >
> >Robert
> >
> >
> >On 2/17/08, Owen Densmore <owen at backspaces.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>We're looking into which Hosting service to use, and what web Content
> >>Management System to use for our new Santa Fe Complex. Several of us
> >>have used HostGo and a variety of blog/cms software that they support.
> >>
> >>But we may be outgrowing HostGo for The Complex.
> >>
> >>Does anyone have suggestions and/or experiences?
> >>
> >>One system I'm particularly interested in is Joyent (who bought
> >>TextDrive), which has built a really interesting system on Ruby on
> >>Rails + Open Solaris. They clearly have their heart in the right
> >>place (support open source, make their own code open source, and even
> >>give away free accounts), but I'm not yet sure if they'd fall down in
> >>some areas we'll need.
> >>
> >> -- Owen
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
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>
> --
>
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