[FRIAM] not enough of Robert Rosen

[Glen E. P. Ropella]

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Marcus G. Daniels on 01/08/2008 04:11 PM:
> It seems to me it's the language that's important, and how suitable that 
> language is to the environment at hand.
> That's not to say there aren't new useful primitives to be discovered.

It's not the language.  It's not any element of the language.

What's important is the ability to form, use, and abandon languages (at
will, obviously).

And any system where the language is fixed will be fragile to ambiguity
_because_ of Gödel's result.

The only thing remaining is whether (and how much) contact and
interaction with the environment provides what's needed for forming,
using, and abandoning languages.  If, as may be the case, all
assemblages of formal systems merely amount to a more complicated formal
system, then even an assemblage won't do what we're after.  But if the
world is somehow "supra-computation", then perhaps sporadic interactions
with the environment can help a computer resolve unexpected exceptions
gracefully.

- From that perspective the phrase "holarchy of formal systems" may well
be self-contradictory and only reality is capable of forming holarchies.

- --
glen e. p. ropella, 971-219-3846, http://tempusdictum.com
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