[FRIAM] Pre-crime Insider mapping

[Patrick Reilly]

Hola Joost:

I'm quite serious that algorithms like these might someday be used to  
justify a search warrant.  That is assuming that the US Bill of  
Rights will someday be restored and the US courts will require the  
police to secure search warrants.

--   Pat


On Mar 6, 2008, at 8:13 AM, Joost Rekveld wrote:

> are you serious ?
> I guess my point is these kinds of developments are threatening for  
> those who do not think the norm is for them. As a peace-loving  
> multilingual artist with several relatively obscure interests I can  
> totally see that what I consider to be interesting will soon be  
> labelled pre-crime symptoms. Who needs renaissance optics, ottoman  
> music, outmoded utopias ? all very suspicious !
> I guess I should be watching TV like everybody else...
>
> ciao,
>
> Joost.
>
> On  6 Mar, 2008, at 3:52 PM, Patrick Reilly wrote:
>
>> Sounds like a "promising" pre-crime detection system.  Could be used
>> to justify a search warrant, but then, who needs  a judge's
>> permission anymore?
>>
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>> On Mar 6, 2008, at 6:23 AM, Joost Rekveld wrote:
>>
>>> quote from the article:
>>>
>>> "The algorithm, dubbed the Potential Insider Threat Detection
>>> Algorithm, is a "promising tool" for aiding IT departments in
>>> narrowing down the list of subjects in a breach investigation, the
>>> researchers said. However, the experimental analysis of Enron's  
>>> email
>>> did not correctly identify the top managers who were involved in the
>>> company's fraud."
>>>
>>> so the method was developed, tested, and it failed.
>>> right.
>>>
>>> anyway it seems that according to these people anyone with
>>> 'excentric' interests should be labeled as a threat: obscure  
>>> hobbies,
>>> knowledge of foreign languages are all signs of a potential threat ?
>>> great ! seems these people work in very boring companies indeed !
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> "There is little use in devising a system of thought about
> the nature of the trap if the only thing to do in order to
> get out of the trap is to know the trap and find the exit.
> Everything else is utterly useless: Singing hymns about
> the suffering in the trap ... or making poems about the
> freedom outside of the trap, dreamed of within the trap ...
> The first thing to do is to find the exit out of the trap.
> The nature of the trap has no interest whatsoever beyond
> this one crucial point:
> WHERE IS THE EXIT OUT OF THE TRAP?
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> (Wilhelm Reich)
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