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[Roger Critchlow]

Interesting coincidence, I was reading
http://www.rss.org.uk/Images/PDF/publications/2017/Gelman-Hennig-April-17.pdf
because the authors are talking in London tomorrow.  I won't be there, but
I got notified and the abstract was interesting, so I watched a youtube of
Andrew Gelman and Chris Hennig interviewing each other about their paper
over a hangout.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvoJdz_3cMg

They claim that the usage of "objective" and "subjective" in statistics is
unhelpful, because there are finer grained aspects of objectivity and
subjectivity which are more helpful to talk about, and the finer grained
aspects aren't diametrically opposed like subj... and obj....

Then, later in the discussion, Hennig talks about how clients want the data
and the received art to make all the decisions for them, they do not want
to choose anything if they can avoid it.  That's very much like corps
wanting to decide whether to support/unsupport a media figure based on the
social media likes/unlikes rather than any intrinsic moral preference.
Sort of like poll driven political campaigns, too, reactionary all the way
down.

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On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 3:57 PM, Steven A Smith <sasmyth at swcp.com> wrote:

>
> Glen writes:
>>
>> < It's pretty exciting/terrifying to imagine "data scientists" being
>> involved in whether or not Trump will remain president ... >
>>
>> As much as I like to see O'Reilly suffer, it is annoying how advertisers
>> turn to social media consultants (and data science) to quantify the anger
>> towards him (or other hot topics) rather than saying "Given the evidence we
>> think you’re a scumbag, and we're dropping you" rather than asking if
>> enough of their customers or potential customers think he is a scumbag.
>> It says to me they don't care if he is a scumbag, or even guilty; they care
>> if he is radioactive and a liability.
>>
> Who *doesn't* know he's a scumbag?
>
> Surely the people who choose to advertise with Fox already know the
> general level of scumbaggery involved and some sense of the specific
> personalities there.   It is O'Reilly's scumbaggery (just like other
> loudmouth pundits of his style like the not-quite-late/never-great Rush
> Bimbaugh) that gets them their ratings.  They are popular *because* they
> are loudmouth jerks with no obvious true moral compass (is that what you
> mean by scumbag?).
>
> Sadly my mother is someone who doesn't know he's a scumbag, somehow she
> has been duped by his bombastic style and the echo chamber of Fox and their
> many dittos into believing that he is really "looking out for our best
> interests!" .    I forgive her, she's 87, and at ONE TIME in her life was
> one of the most thoughtful and progressive people I knew.  Age and loss
> have lead to fear which makes her vulnerable to their rhetoric.
>
> I believe it is a similar type of fear that makes the "unwashed masses"
> huddled in the red states watch Fox News 24/7 and vote for dickheads.
>  They simply don't see that they are being manipulated by fear (and some
> greed) by fairly unsophisticated, but apparently effective rhetoric.
>
> Unfortunately there is a lesser version of all this running on the
> opposite side of the aisle too.  We got to see it fairly clearly when the
> DNC/Hillary machine went after Bernie (and Jill).
>
> I really enjoyed watching Colbert go on O'Reilly's show and the way he
> stood up to him firmly and kept everything on topic and refused to be
> reduced in any way to O'Reilly's level.   A perfect juxtapose to this was
> Colbert hosting Bruce Willis where he insisted Willis doesn't do his own
> stunts and the two end up squaring off and doing fight-stunts together for
> a while.  Colbert is amazingly versatile.
>
>
>> Marcus
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