[FRIAM] Future of humans and artificial intelligence

Tue Aug 8 19:28:30 EDT 2017

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“space”?

Or was that a correction error arising from trying to write “apace”.  

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Nicholas S. Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology

Clark University

 <http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/> http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

From: Friam [mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com] On Behalf Of Frank Wimberly
Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2017 5:32 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam at redfish.com>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Future of humans and artificial intelligence

Nick,

It's actually more like six thousand pages. However many pages thousands of rabbis can write in 600 years, more or less.  Deborah found it and posted it on our refrigerator.

I understand you are recovering space.

Frank

Frank Wimberly
Phone (505) 670-9918

On Aug 8, 2017 3:24 PM, "Nick Thompson" <nickthompson at earthlink.net <mailto:nickthompson at earthlink.net> > wrote:

I LOVE this, Frank.  How ever did you find it amongst the ten thousand pages!!!!????

Do not be daunted by the enormity of the world's grief.  Do justly, now.  Love mercy, now. Walk humbly, now.  You are not obligated to complete the work, but neither are you free to abandon it.

By the way.  Now in my 80th year, I am officially against technology.  I was OK with everything up through the word processor.  (I hated carbons.) Everything after that, I could do without.  

Really!  What has AI done for me lately? 

What  was it Flaubert said about trains?  Something like, they just made it possible for people to run around faster and faster and be stupid in more places.  

Nick 

Nicholas S. Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology

Clark University

 <http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/> http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

From: Friam [mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com <mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com> ] On Behalf Of Frank Wimberly
Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2017 1:56 PM
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Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Future of humans and artificial intelligence

Talmud:

Do not be daunted by the enormity of the world's grief.  Do justly, now.  Love mercy, now. Walk humbly, now.  You are not obligated to complete the work, but neither are you free to abandon it.

Plus 10,000 other pages.

Frank Wimberly
Phone (505) 670-9918 <tel:(505)%20670-9918> 

On Aug 8, 2017 11:18 AM, "Pamela McCorduck" <pamela at well.com <mailto:pamela at well.com> > wrote:

Grant, does it really seem plausible to you that the thousands of crack researchers at Stanford, Carnegie Mellon, Google, MIT, Cal Berkeley, and other places have not seen this? And found remedies?

Just for FRIAM’s information, John McCarthy used to call Asimov’s Three Laws Talmudic. Sorry I don’t know enough about the Talmud to agree or disagree.

On Aug 8, 2017, at 1:42 AM, Marcus Daniels <marcus at snoutfarm.com <mailto:marcus at snoutfarm.com> > wrote:

Grant writes:

"Fortunately, the AI folks don't seem to see - yet - that they are stumbling all over the missing piece: stochastic adaptation. You know, like in evolution: chance mutations. AI is still down with a bad case of causal determinism. But I expect they will fairly shortly get over that. Watch out."

What is probability, physically?   It could be an illusion and that there is no such thing as an independent observer.   Even if that is true, sampling techniques are used in many machine learning algorithms -- it is not a question of if they work, it is an academic question of why they work.

Marcus

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From: Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com <mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com> > on behalf of Grant Holland <grant.holland.sf at gmail.com <mailto:grant.holland.sf at gmail.com> >
Sent: Monday, August 7, 2017 11:38:03 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group; Carl Tollander
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Future of humans and artificial intelligence

That sounds right, Carl. Asimov's three "laws" of robotics are more like Asimov's three "wishes" for robotics. AI entities are already no longer servants. They have become machine learners. They have actually learned to project conditional probability. The cat is out of the barn. Or is it that the horse is out of the bag?  

Whatever. Fortunately, the AI folks don't seem to see - yet - that they are stumbling all over the missing piece: stochastic adaptation. You know, like in evolution: chance mutations. AI is still down with a bad case of causal determinism. But I expect they will fairly shortly get over that. Watch out.

And we still must answer Stephen Hawking's burning question: Is intelligence a survivable trait?

On 8/7/17 9:54 PM, Carl Tollander wrote:

It seems to me that there are many here in the US who are not entirely on board with Asimov's First Law of Robotics, at least insofar as it may apply to themselves, so I suspect notions of "reining it in" are probably not going to fly.

On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 1:57 AM, Alfredo Covaleda Vélez <alfredo at covaleda.co <mailto:alfredo at covaleda.co> > wrote:

Future will be quite interesting. How will be the human being of the future? For sure not a human being in the way we know.

http://m.eltiempo.com/tecnosfera/novedades-tecnologia/peligros-y-avances-de-la-inteligencia-artificial-para-los-humanos-117158

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