[FRIAM] loopiness (again)

[Merle Lefkoff]

Glen, somehow I missed your original post.  Do you mind re-posting again?
Thanks so much.

On Tue, Feb 7, 2017 at 12:30 PM, glen ☣ <gepropella at gmail.com> wrote:

> On 02/07/2017 11:22 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
> > I meant on the left.   Progressives wanted a progress story rather than
> attending to the danger of regression.   Result, bad turnout.  Bernie or
> bust, etc.
>
> Ah, OK.
>
> > On the main topic, it seems to me that if we view individuals as bit
> strings (e.g. control programs + individual and cultural data), then it is
> easy to see that a composition function of two bit strings yielding the
> same length bit string will have less information than a function that,
> say, appends the bit strings.    On the other hand if each bit string
> carries none of the content of the neighbors in the community, then the
> combined function will be fragile to failures of either individual.    And
> either individual will need some shared bits just to coordinate their union
> -- to show up at the church at the same time and hand out duties, say.
>
> Yes, but the problem with that example lies in the assumption of a
> distinction between reflective (loopy) referents of parts of the bit
> strings.  Yes, if individuals were flat/thin, then relatively simple
> operations like union or intersection would speak to both shared
> understanding and shared action.  But individuals, by virtue of their
> loopiness, are deep/thick, loops within loops.  And that loopiness doesn't
> stop at one's skin via extended phenotype (technology, language, etc.).
>
> This is one of the fundamental criticisms of the concept of memes.  "The
> problem with communication is the illusion that it exists."  There are no
> shared ideas; no shared understanding.  There is only shared action,
> mediated by some medium, which is why Steve's broaching of the commons is
> important.
>
> --
> ☣ glen
>
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