[FRIAM] Cold War Jitters Resurface as U.S. Marines Arrive in Norway - The New York Times

[cody dooderson]

Kim,
Given our recent history, I would guess that the US is more likely to
invade Norway for it's oil than Russia is.

Cody Smith

On Thu, Jan 19, 2017 at 9:48 AM, Owen Densmore <owen at backspaces.net> wrote:

> I think Kim's response bounced so I'm remailing it here:
>
> *From:* Kim Sorvig [mailto:sorvig at cybermesa.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 17, 2017 2:21 PM
> *To:* 'Owen Densmore'; 'Complexity Coffee Group'; 'Kim Sorvig'
> *Subject:* RE: Cold War Jitters Resurface as U.S. Marines Arrive in
> Norway - The New York Times
>
>
>
> My friends in Norway are of an age to remember the Cold War - but for
> them, Russia was literally next door, across a line on the ground.  Their
> parents remembered both Hitler and Stalin, and especially the Nazi
> take-over of Norway.
>
>
> Oil wealth has only increased the odds that some Russian will decide they
> must annex Norway.
>
>
> And I suspect many are concerned that Pres. Voldemort will prefer being
> pals with Hijo de Putin over protecting NATO allies.
>
>
>
> So yes, as far as such speculations go, I would say this is one of the
> least fantastical ones out there at the moment.
>
> Kim Sorvig
>
> On Wed, Jan 18, 2017 at 6:12 PM, Vladimyr Burachynsky <vburach at shaw.ca>
> wrote:
>
>> The New York Times article seems to conflate geography like a party game,
>> Twister. It starts in Norway switches to Sweden, Finland, Lithuania
>> Kalingrad and keeps returning to fear and Russia.
>>
>> They should have provided a map to keep track of the game pieces.
>>
>>
>>
>> The Norwegians share an interest in smuggling Atlantic Salmon fillets to
>> Muscovites who smoke it.
>>
>> Russians smuggle bicycles to Norway pedal-powered by Syrian refugees.
>>
>> The Lithuanians smuggle cigarettes from Russia. The Russians smuggle wild
>> Mushrooms (Boletus edulis) and furs  to Europe
>>
>> The Russians also used to smuggle High Grade Birch Plywood through
>> Finland and on to the entire world.
>>
>> The Russians used to smuggle mammoth Ivory to Alaska. Canada smuggled
>> Grass to the USA.
>>
>> The Polish Merchant Marine Ships used to smuggle Vodka (Spiritus) into
>> Canada.
>>
>> And all Baltic States  smuggle Amber and Herrings.
>>
>> The Ukrainians smuggle well heeled Syrians from Russia to Slovakia flying
>> Russian Helicopters at tree top heights through the Carpathian Mts.
>>
>> They used to smuggle diamonds out of and Moldavian Guns into , Africa.
>>
>> Well if America needs to train soldiers in Arctic conditions what was
>> wrong with Alaska or North Dakota.
>>
>> Perhaps militarism is bad for all smugglers. Seems sanctions only served
>> smugglers.
>>
>> vib.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Friam [mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *Owen
>> Densmore
>> *Sent:* January-17-17 11:15 AM
>> *To:* Complexity Coffee Group; Kim Sorvig
>> *Subject:* [FRIAM] Cold War Jitters Resurface as U.S. Marines Arrive in
>> Norway - The New York Times
>>
>>
>>
>> Does this make any sense? Are Norwegians concerned about a Russian
>> invasion? Sounds nuts.
>>
>> ​    ​
>>
>> https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/16/world/europe/norway-us-ru
>> ssia-marines.html
>>
>>
>>
>> ​Poland recently​ received US military folks too:
>>
>>   https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/12/world/europe/as-trump-
>> reaches-toward-putin-us-troops-arrive-in-poland.html
>>
>>
>>
>> It seems to be NATO sponsored but why US troops?
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm a bit spooked.
>>
>>
>>
>> ​   -- Owen​
>>
>>
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