[FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again]
Robert J. Cordingley
robert at cirrillian.com
Sat Jan 28 13:34:30 EST 2017
The Washington Post has an interesting essay from a Venezuelan on what
to do and mostly what not to do.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2017/01/27/in-venezuela-we-couldnt-stop-chavez-dont-make-the-same-mistakes-we-did
Robert C
On 1/28/17 11:21 AM, Nick Thompson wrote:
>
> Ok Steve,
>
> The only reason to accept responsibility is to Take Charge.
>
> I have been able to think of only one concrete thing that I can do
> with my limited set of skills: Write Apple and tell them to stop
> calling new products “I-this” and “I-that.” When are they going to
> release the WE-phone.
>
> You must have something in your tool kit more effective than that!
>
> Nick
>
> Nicholas S. Thompson
>
> Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
>
> Clark University
>
> http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/
> <http://home.earthlink.net/%7Enickthompson/naturaldesigns/>
>
> *From:*Friam [mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *Steven
> A Smith
> *Sent:* Saturday, January 28, 2017 9:38 AM
> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
> <friam at redfish.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again]
>
>
>
> What can WE hobbits do?
>
> Scratch our hairy knuckles and indulge in second dinnerses?
>
> Fun aside, I DO appreciate your sentiment here and agree that the
> Narcissist in Chief is at least partly a (focused) reflection of our
> own worst qualities, and *perhaps* if we tend our own garden even a
> little, it will help with the greater picture.
>
> - Candide
>
> Nick
>
> Nicholas S. Thompson
>
> Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
>
> Clark University
>
> http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/
> <http://home.earthlink.net/%7Enickthompson/naturaldesigns/>
>
> *From:*Friam [mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com] *On Behalf Of
> *Jochen Fromm
> *Sent:* Saturday, January 28, 2017 1:39 AM
> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
> <friam at redfish.com> <mailto:friam at redfish.com>; Friam
> <Friam at redfish.com> <mailto:Friam at redfish.com>
> *Cc:* penny thompson <penny.thompson at earthlink.net>
> <mailto:penny.thompson at earthlink.net>; 'Bruce Simon'
> <bjs108 at yahoo.com> <mailto:bjs108 at yahoo.com>; 'Dix McComas'
> <dixmccomas2 at gmail.com> <mailto:dixmccomas2 at gmail.com>; 'Grant
> Franks' <grantfranks at earthlink.net> <mailto:grantfranks at earthlink.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again]
>
> Yes, agree. Trump’s point of view is “Whatever I can win with is
> true.” And if he wins with what we call “a lie”, it is true for
> him. Exactly.
>
> If you ask how we can counter and resist him, then I would say
> peaceful protests are the right way. The women's march was
> impressive, and the rebellion of the social media managers from
> the national parks is really refreshing. Who would have thought
> that the national parks would strike back? Like Treebeard who
> becomes alive.
>
> In JK Rowling's novels it is the little creatures like the house
> elves that beat the evil in the end. In Tolkien's Lord of the
> Rings it is the Hobbits that beat the evil enemy. I think in this
> case people like Ken Bone are the Hobbits of the 21st century. The
> modern Hobbits are adverage midwestern guys who support Mr. T-Rump
> and his "party" on Twitter and hope to get a bit rich and famous
> along the way.
>
> People like Ken Bone are like Frodo the Hobbit, Mr. T-Rump is
> Sauron and Jack Dorsey is the ringwraith. Will Ken Bone throw the
> ring into Mt. Doom, i.e. will he stop following Trump on Twitter
> and/or quit Twitter completely? If we all stop following and
> listening him he loses his power. This includes the senior
> Republican politicians who do not speak up against him because
> they hope for a job in his administration.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Jochen
>
> Sent from my Tricorder
>
> -------- Original message --------
>
> From: Nick Thompson <nickthompson at earthlink.net
> <mailto:nickthompson at earthlink.net>>
>
> Date: 1/28/17 01:57 (GMT+01:00)
>
> To: Friam <Friam at redfish.com <mailto:Friam at redfish.com>>
>
> Cc: penny thompson <penny.thompson at earthlink.net
> <mailto:penny.thompson at earthlink.net>>, 'Bruce Simon'
> <bjs108 at yahoo.com <mailto:bjs108 at yahoo.com>>, 'Dix McComas'
> <dixmccomas2 at gmail.com <mailto:dixmccomas2 at gmail.com>>, 'Grant
> Franks' <grantfranks at earthlink.net
> <mailto:grantfranks at earthlink.net>>
>
> Subject: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again]
>
> Hi everybody,
>
> I kind of got buried by the list last week, but we seem to keep
> coming back to this topic, even when we are talking about globalism.
>
> So. Let me just share one thought. I have said a hundred times
> that I think the great achievement of the Right in my life time
> has been to problematize (Ugh!) the Deweyan consensus of the
> 1950’s One of the elements of that consensus was that there is a
> truth of most matters and if we gather inclusively, talk calmly,
> reason closely, study carefully, investigate rigorously, we will,
> together , come to it. What was, at the time of my coming of age,
> the shared foundation of argument, became over last 50 years, /a
> position in the argument. /The alternative to this Deweyan
> position seems to be something like, “/There is no truth of the
> matter; there is only the exercise of power. He who wins the
> argument, by whatever means, wins the truth. Truth is not
> something that is arrived at; it is won.”/
>
> So. My sense of trump is that in fact, he is not lying. On the
> contrary, he does not share the view of discourse that makes lying
> a possibility. From Trump’s point of view, “Whatever I can win
> with is true.” Hence, if he wins with what we call “a lie”, it is
> true.
>
> I feel we are straying along the edge of some *Nietzschean *chasm
> here. Unfortunately I haven’t read any Nietzsche . A brief
> rummage in Wikipedia, led me to The Parable of the Madman
> <http://sourcebooks.fordham.edu/mod/nietzsche-madman.asp>. And
> THAT led me to wonder if the TV Series, Madmen
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mad_Men>, about marketing execs in
> the 60’s, was written with Nietzsche in mind. In any case, if
> there is ever a domain in which the truth is that which wins, it
> would be marketing.
>
> So, if we are going to counter Trump, it cannot be by
> demonstrating that he lies. It has to be by demonstrating that
> liars don’t win.
>
> Heavy lift.
>
> Nick
>
> Nicholas S. Thompson
>
> Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
>
> Clark University
>
> http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/
> <http://home.earthlink.net/%7Enickthompson/naturaldesigns/>
>
>
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