[FRIAM] the role of metaphor in scientific thought

Sat Jun 24 23:44:43 EDT 2017

I love the music.

Frank

Frank Wimberly
Phone (505) 670-9918

On Jun 24, 2017 9:02 PM, "Vladimyr" <vburach at shaw.ca> wrote:

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> To all the wandering lost colleagues in the congregation,
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> thank you all,
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> So after Tom and Dean’s contributions someone has to assemble a team to
> put this together
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> in text and images/
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> I only realized today that my stupid Flowers were connected to all this
> struggle.
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> I did suspect something long ago and kept at it.
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> My flowers now use 5 simple networks and each is a 28 x 162 Rectangular
> Matrix each containing a circular Self Avoiding Walks.
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> By connecting all five walks without crossing any path The Flower Emerges.
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> By warping any single SAW at specific locations with GrowthFactors,
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> It appears to grow. If I apply a displacement function to all SAW’s at
> once then it appears to    move.
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> *in truth the flower *only utilizes a  very small portion of each simple
> network.
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> https://1drv.ms/v/s!AjdC7pqwzaUUkyTZd31rUbkkh_ap
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> Thank you all, but now I am very tired…
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> Those infuriating layers may well be each some kind of container
> projections/boundaries out side of x,y, and z.
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> Perhaps this is all a child’s plaything…
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> vladimyr
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> Tom--
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> Fine, informative article.  One cohesive view of the evolution of
> mathematical thought might be:
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> 1.  Geometry/ number theory.
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> 2.  Early algebra (symbolic thought)
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> 3.  Analysis (analytic geometry and calculus)
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> 4. Topology.
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> 5. Abstract algebra (previous century)
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> 6. Algebraic topology( integrates concepts from many disciplines)  Highly
> applicable to modern science, e.g. your reverenced article?
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> Thanks for the link.  Dean Gerber
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> On Saturday, June 24, 2017 12:01 PM, Tom Johnson <tom at jtjohnson.com>
> wrote:
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> https://goo.gl/S5yRGF
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> *From:* Friam [mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *Nick
> Thompson
> *Sent:* June-23-17 4:31 PM
> *To:* 'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group'
> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] the role of metaphor in scientific thought
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> Thank you, Frank.  A really important point.
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> So bachelor implies unmarried, but unmarried does not imply bachelor.
> Your message also contained some additional correspondence which, for some
> reason, I have never seen.  I have no quick answer to any of it.  I still
> think that there is an important peril in explanations of the form “A is
> the explanation for A” but I am way less confident of my ability to
> identify pernicious extensions of that form.  And it still seems
> significant to me that you complexitists have not identified and agreed
> upon a target for your explanatory efforts.  (Please remind me, I if I am
> wrong about that).  So, unless I have gone dozy, we have two outstanding
> questions:
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> 1.       When complexitists speak of complexity, to what phenomenon are
> they referring?
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> 2.       What are the conditions that predict the occurrence of such
> phenomena.
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> 3.       Does anybody on this list believe that it is fair to include
> parts of your answer to question #1 in your answer to question #2
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> One more thing.  Back in the email midden several days ago, I said
> something to Glen that was inadvertently tactless and overtly stupid.  Glen
> responded with kindness, generosity,  and indefatigable focus on the main
> issues.   This is to announce my gratitude to Glen for being … well …
> Glen.  I am honored that you-guys let me sit on the edge of your pool and
> dangle my feet in it.  That’s a metaphor.
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> Nick
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> Nicholas S. Thompson
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> Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
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> Clark University
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> http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/
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> *From:* Friam [mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com
> <friam-bounces at redfish.com>] *On Behalf Of *Frank Wimberly
> *Sent:* Friday, June 23, 2017 9:52 AM
> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <
> friam at redfish.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] the role of metaphor in scientific thought
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> Has anybody mentioned that there are lot of unmarried men that you usually
> wouldn't call bachelors?  There are widowers, priests, and nineteen
> year-olds, for example.  I learned the word because my father's brother was
> a thirty-five year old Major in the Air Force with no wife. He eventually
> got married and had children. Late bloomer?
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> Frank
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> Frank Wimberly
> Phone (505) 670-9918
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> On Jun 22, 2017 11:34 PM, "gepr ⛧" <gepropella at gmail.com> wrote:
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> But the difference isn't merely rhetorical. If we take the setup
> seriously, that the unmarried patient really doesn't know the other names
> by which his condition is known, then there are all sorts of different side
> effects that might obtain. E.g. if the doctor tells him he's a bachelor, he
> might google that and discover bachelor parties. But if the doctor tells
> him he is "single", he might discover single's night at the local pub.
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> My point was not only the evocation of various ideas, but also the side
> effects of various (computational) paths.
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> On June 22, 2017 7:00:55 PM PDT, Eric Charles <eric.phillip.charles at gmail.
> com> wrote:
> >Glen said: "So, the loop of unmarried <=> bachelor has information in
> >it,
> >even if the only information is (as in your example), the guy learns
> >that
> >because the condition has another name, perhaps there are other ways of
> >thinking about it ... other _circles_ to use."
> >
> >This reminds me that, in another context, Nick complained to me quite a
> >bit
> >about Peirce's asserting that that any concept was simply a collection
> >of
> >conceived "practical" consequences. He felt that the term "practical"
> >was
> >unnecessary, and lead to confusions. I think this is a good example of
> >why
> >Peirce used that term, and felt it necessary.
> >
> >Perice would point out that the practical consequences of being
> >"unmarried"
> >are identical to the practical consequences of being "a bachelor."
> >Thus,
> >though the spellings be different, there is only one idea at play there
> >(in
> >Peirce-land... if we are thinking clearly). This is the tautology that
> >Nick
> >is pointing at, and he isn't wrong.
> >
> >And yet, Glen is still clearly correct that using one term or the other
> >may
> >more readily invoke certain ideas in a listener. Those aren't practical
> >differences in Peirce's sense- they are not differences in practice
> >that
> >would achieve if one tested the unique implications of one label or the
> >other (as there are no contrasting unique implications). The value of
> >having the multiple terms is rhetorical, not logical.
> >
> >What to do with such differences..............
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> --
> ⛧glen⛧
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