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Annual Review of Sociology, Vol. 28, 2002
It is a discussion that is also engaging economists.
Jose
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>Robert and Owen,=20
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>Mohammed=20
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> > I'm certainly interested in having ABM "grow up", so to speak. I've=20
> > been working with the Value Network working group at SFI:=20
> > http://valuenetwork.sourceforge.net/=20
> > http://backspaces.net/SCSim/=20
> > and part of the work has been looking at validating models. One=20
> > approach taken by the Argonne folks was to implement the model in=20
> > multiple standard environments .. called "docking"=20
> > http://backspaces.net/SCSim/BeerDock.pdf=20
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> > However, these are more low level apprroaches: how to be sure the=20
> > algorithms are robust and repeatable. Deeper questions lurk: how to=20
> > build models that reflect the situation being modeled accurately.=20
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> > I'd love to play!=20
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> > Owen=20
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> > On Tuesday, May 6, 2003, at 09:25 AM, Robert Holmes wrote:=20
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> > > Mohamed,=20
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> > > I like the idea of a working group to start exploring an =
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> > > methodology for ABMs. I think it's time we tried to get some=20
> > > intellectual=20
> > > clout behind this whole question of validity.=20
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> > > As to how this could proceed, CRISP-DM and KADS may provide some=20
> > > pointers,=20
> > > albeit they are both European programs. Both started from informal =
> > > working=20
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> > > KADS attracted a huge pile of funds - the program has been running =
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> > > P.S. Just to give you a flavour of the groups' scope, here are =
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> > > members:=20
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> > > Cap Gemini Innovation=20
> > > Swedish Institute for Computer Science=20
> > > Cap Programator=20
> > > Siemens AG=20
> > > Netherlands Energy Research Foundation ECN=20
> > > Touche Ross Management Consultants=20
> > > Entel SA=20
> > > University of Amsterdam=20
> > > IBM France=20
> > > Free University Brussels=20
> > > Lloyd's Register=20
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> > > CRISP_DM (ESPRIT Project 24.959)=20
> > > Teradata (Denmark)=20
> > > SPSS (was ISL) - vendors of 'Clementine' data-mining software=20
> > > DaimlerChrysler=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D580415301-07052003>I can=20
back up what Jose is saying. Evaluation and validation of ABMs is =
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align=3Dleft><FONT=20
face=3DTahoma size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>=20
Friam-admin at redfish.com [mailto:Friam-admin at redfish.com] <B>On Behalf =
Of=20
</B>Jose Lobo<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, May 06, 2003 9:43 =
PM<BR><B>To:</B>=20
Friam at redfish.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> [FRIAM] Re: Evaluating ABM=20
models<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
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<P>Hello everyone!</P>
<P>The evaluation of simulation models has been a major topic of =
concern for=20
the fields of engineering and operations research. Some of this=20
work/literature might be of relevance to those engaged with the =
question of=20
how to evaluate a particular type of simulation model, namely, =
ABMs.</P>
<P>Somewhat curiously, the evaluation of ABM models has become a major =
topic=20
within the field of sociology (at least in the United States): an =
example of=20
this discussion -- and a good paper on the role of and evaluation of =
ABM=20
models -- is:</P>
<P><A =
href=3D"http://soc.annualreviews.org/cgi/content/full/28/1/143">From=20
Factors to Actors: Computational Sociology and Agent-Based =
Modeling</A>=20
<BR>Michael W. Macy and Robert Willer <BR><I>Annual Review of =
Sociology,</I>=20
Vol. 28, 2002<BR><BR>It is a discussion that is also engaging =
economists.</P>
<P>Jose</P></DIV><BR><BR><BR>
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<DIV>*************************</DIV>
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<DIV>Jos=E9 Lobo</DIV>
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<DIV>Visiting Researcher</DIV>
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<DIV>Santa Fe Institute</DIV>
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<DIV>1399 Hyde Park Road</DIV>
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<DIV>Santa Fe, NM 87501</DIV>
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<DIV>office: 505-946-2765 </DIV>
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<DIV>fax: 505-982-0565</DIV>
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<DIV>mobile: 505-577-6822</DIV>
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<DIV></DIV>>From: <MOHAMMED at OPTOMATICA.COM>
<DIV></DIV>>Reply-To: Friam at redfish.com=20
<DIV></DIV>>To: <FRIAM at REDFISH.COM>
<DIV></DIV>>Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Methodology=20
<DIV></DIV>>Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 03:13:23 +0300=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>>Robert and Owen,=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>>Maybe a good first step might be that we and fellow =
FRIAMers=20
should start=20
<DIV></DIV>>putting some ideas together. Publish it and try to get=20
industrial and=20
<DIV></DIV>>governmental buy-in.=20
<DIV></DIV>>How about we chat about it? I would be happy to host it =
<DIV></DIV>>http://www.optomatica.com/ABM-M.htm=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>>Lets agree on the time... how about next Monday 9 MST? =
I am=20
about 9 hrs=20
<DIV></DIV>>ahead of you, so the earlier the better.=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>>Mohammed=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>>----- Original Message -----=20
<DIV></DIV>>From: "Owen Densmore" <OWEN at BACKSPACES.NET>
<DIV></DIV>>To: <FRIAM at REDFISH.COM>
<DIV></DIV>>Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 8:18 PM=20
<DIV></DIV>>Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Methodology=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>> > I'm certainly interested in having ABM "grow up", =
so to=20
speak. I've=20
<DIV></DIV>> > been working with the Value Network working group =
at SFI:=20
<DIV></DIV>> > http://valuenetwork.sourceforge.net/=20
<DIV></DIV>> > http://backspaces.net/SCSim/=20
<DIV></DIV>> > and part of the work has been looking at =
validating=20
models. One=20
<DIV></DIV>> > approach taken by the Argonne folks was to =
implement the=20
model in=20
<DIV></DIV>> > multiple standard environments .. called =
"docking"=20
<DIV></DIV>> > http://backspaces.net/SCSim/BeerDock.pdf=20
<DIV></DIV>> >=20
<DIV></DIV>> > However, these are more low level apprroaches: =
how to be=20
sure the=20
<DIV></DIV>> > algorithms are robust and repeatable. Deeper =
questions=20
lurk: how to=20
<DIV></DIV>> > build models that reflect the situation being =
modeled=20
accurately.=20
<DIV></DIV>> >=20
<DIV></DIV>> > I'd love to play!=20
<DIV></DIV>> >=20
<DIV></DIV>> > Owen=20
<DIV></DIV>> >=20
<DIV></DIV>> > On Tuesday, May 6, 2003, at 09:25 AM, Robert =
Holmes=20
wrote:=20
<DIV></DIV>> >=20
<DIV></DIV>> > > Mohamed,=20
<DIV></DIV>> > >=20
<DIV></DIV>> > > I like the idea of a working group to start=20
exploring an appropriate=20
<DIV></DIV>> > > methodology for ABMs. I think it's time we =
tried to=20
get some=20
<DIV></DIV>> > > intellectual=20
<DIV></DIV>> > > clout behind this whole question of =
validity.=20
<DIV></DIV>> > >=20
<DIV></DIV>> > > As to how this could proceed, CRISP-DM and =
KADS may=20
provide some=20
<DIV></DIV>> > > pointers,=20
<DIV></DIV>> > > albeit they are both European programs. Both =
started=20
from informal=20
<DIV></DIV>> > > working=20
<DIV></DIV>> > > groups involving (on the push end) software =
vendors,=20
consultants or=20
<DIV></DIV>> > > academics and (on the pull end) enlightened =
clients.=20
Ultimately, both=20
<DIV></DIV>> > > attracted European Community funding =
(through the=20
ESPRIT program). In=20
<DIV></DIV>> > > fact=20
<DIV></DIV>> > > KADS attracted a huge pile of funds - the =
program=20
has been running=20
<DIV></DIV>> > > since=20
<DIV></DIV>> > > 1990 and is still underway.=20
<DIV></DIV>> > >=20
<DIV></DIV>> > > Robert=20
<DIV></DIV>> > >=20
<DIV></DIV>> > > P.S. Just to give you a flavour of the =
groups'=20
scope, here are their=20
<DIV></DIV>> > > members:=20
<DIV></DIV>> > >=20
<DIV></DIV>> > > KADS-II (ESPRIT Project P5248)=20
<DIV></DIV>> > > Cap Gemini Innovation=20
<DIV></DIV>> > > Swedish Institute for Computer Science=20
<DIV></DIV>> > > Cap Programator=20
<DIV></DIV>> > > Siemens AG=20
<DIV></DIV>> > > Netherlands Energy Research Foundation ECN=20
<DIV></DIV>> > > Touche Ross Management Consultants=20
<DIV></DIV>> > > Entel SA=20
<DIV></DIV>> > > University of Amsterdam=20
<DIV></DIV>> > > IBM France=20
<DIV></DIV>> > > Free University Brussels=20
<DIV></DIV>> > > Lloyd's Register=20
<DIV></DIV>> > >=20
<DIV></DIV>> > > CRISP_DM (ESPRIT Project 24.959)=20
<DIV></DIV>> > > Teradata (Denmark)=20
<DIV></DIV>> > > SPSS (was ISL) - vendors of 'Clementine' =
data-mining=20
software=20
<DIV></DIV>> > > DaimlerChrysler=20
<DIV></DIV>> > > OHRA (Netherlands)=20
<DIV></DIV>> > >=20
<DIV></DIV>> > >=20
<DIV></DIV>> > >=20
<DIV></DIV>> > >=20
<DIV></DIV>> > >=20
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