[FRIAM] Whew!

Owen Densmore owen at backspaces.net
Sun May 7 12:36:50 EDT 2017


Ya gotta love the City Different:

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The small print:

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On Sat, May 6, 2017 at 11:37 AM, Robert J. Cordingley <robert at cirrillian.com
> wrote:

> Let me throw some things into this mix
>
> Some estimates (SFNewMexican
> <http://www.santafenewmexican.com/news/local_news/voters-smack-down-mayor-s-beverage-tax-proposal/article_3971faf0-2f9c-11e7-8374-532a52cd354f.html>)
> suggest in total over $3.12 million was spent by both sides on the campaign
> while the expected cost of the Pre-K to be funded was $7.7million in the
> first year. Subsequent years ought to be less because facilities would
> already be in place.
>
> Some roughly 800  Pre-Ks (4 yr olds) would be included. That's ~$9,000/yr
> per child which sounds like a good deal based on Frank's numbers. Pre-K <>
> child-care btw. Some 160 teachers+assistants+extended care providers would
> be needed to run a 5 day program for 40 classes of 20 students each (2
> teachers/class + 2 for extended day care).
>
> The Santa Fe Public Schools are expected to expand their free (to parents) Pre-K
> programs <http://www.sfps.info/cms/One.aspx?portalId=115105&pageId=150523>
> subject to legislative funding but I don't know details of when, probably
> never 'cos NM State budget is at an impasse.
>
> A possible but unconfirmed motivation for the Mayor's proposal was to get
> to a point where Pre-K would be indispensable and thus get sustainable
> funding and not have to depend on hopefully declining soda tax revenues.
>
> According to the New Mexican again
> <http://www.santafenewmexican.com/news/local_news/half-truths-falsehoods-create-confusion-in-soda-tax-fight/article_68ac5a30-7159-5a1d-913a-a625dfa36e8d.html>,
> lemonade powder would be taxed on the made up quantity changing the price
> from something like $7/can to $28/can - bad 'optics'.
>
> Some claimed tourists might be big contributors to the soda-tax revenues
> anyway.
>
> Some people suggested they would buy sugary drinks in order to support
> Pre-K.
>
> Others suggested the beverage industry ('Big Soda') could not stand the
> idea that the soda-tax would be a seen as sin-tax and are trying
> desperately not to get it labelled as such.
>
> No-one on the for side in the campaign I saw made any suggestions on what
> folks should switch to to avoid the tax, e.g. flavored water, water, plain
> teas and coffees. The last being more profitable for businesses.
>
> Based on district voting the people most likely to benefit health wise
> voted against it. Sound familiar?
>
> It's claimed the for side didn't play up the health benefits enough in
> their campaign and that Big Soda came over as the local group while the the
> for side came over as elitist and out of state.
>
> If passed, lookout for Soda stands outside the city limits.
>
> So it all looks a little silly. I support both ideas tho' living in the
> county I couldn't vote.
>
> The questions remain: how to fund Pre-K and how to cut consumption of
> unhealthy sugary drinks? The against side said it should be funded from the
> 'surplus' the city has but there are legal restrictions on those funds
> apparently. The city has it's own component of Gross Receipts Tax (which is
> like a Sales Tax but applied more broadly).
>
> So what's the real problem and how do we fix it?  The mayor is still
> looking for good ideas.
>
> Robert C
>
> On 5/3/17 9:43 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
>
>
>
> < $13-16k per year is a huge number. Does this include "child care" ..
> i.e. taking care of the child for working parents? That is a lot more
> expensive than "pre-school". >
>
>
>
> Doggy day care is about half that.  If a dog has the intelligence of a 2
> year old, and pre-K child is 4, then a linear extrapolation to an 18 year
> freshman’s day care (tuition) is about $63k a year.  Must be the complexity
> of the control system that is required!
>
>
>
> Marcus
>
>
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