[FRIAM] Whew!

Robert J. Cordingley robert at cirrillian.com
Sun May 7 15:50:05 EDT 2017


Taxes bypassed? Probably not so. See 
https://www.abqjournal.com/962831/amazon-to-start-collecting-taxes-in-new-mexico.html

Robert C


On 5/7/17 10:49 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
>
> With Amazon Prime, this is all irrelevant.   Click and ship what you 
> want and such taxes will be bypassed.  Further, Amazon’s distribution 
> costs will be lower than going through a local distributor anyway.   
>  Stupid to build a tax base on an business model that is obsolete.
>
> *From:*Friam [mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *Owen 
> Densmore
> *Sent:* Sunday, May 07, 2017 10:37 AM
> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group 
> <friam at redfish.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Whew!
>
> Ya gotta love the City Different:
>
> Inline image 1
>
> The small print:
>
> Inline image 2
>
> On Sat, May 6, 2017 at 11:37 AM, Robert J. Cordingley 
> <robert at cirrillian.com <mailto:robert at cirrillian.com>> wrote:
>
>     Let me throw some things into this mix
>
>     Some estimates (SFNewMexican
>     <http://www.santafenewmexican.com/news/local_news/voters-smack-down-mayor-s-beverage-tax-proposal/article_3971faf0-2f9c-11e7-8374-532a52cd354f.html>)
>     suggest in total over $3.12 million was spent by both sides on the
>     campaign while the expected cost of the Pre-K to be funded was
>     $7.7million in the first year. Subsequent years ought to be less
>     because facilities would already be in place.
>
>     Some roughly 800  Pre-Ks (4 yr olds) would be included. That's
>     ~$9,000/yr per child which sounds like a good deal based on
>     Frank's numbers. Pre-K <> child-care btw. Some 160
>     teachers+assistants+extended care providers would be needed to run
>     a 5 day program for 40 classes of 20 students each (2
>     teachers/class + 2 for extended day care).
>
>     The Santa Fe Public Schools are expected to expand their free (to
>     parents) Pre-K programs
>     <http://www.sfps.info/cms/One.aspx?portalId=115105&pageId=150523>
>     subject to legislative funding but I don't know details of when,
>     probably never 'cos NM State budget is at an impasse.
>
>     A possible but unconfirmed motivation for the Mayor's proposal was
>     to get to a point where Pre-K would be indispensable and thus get
>     sustainable funding and not have to depend on hopefully declining
>     soda tax revenues.
>
>     According to the New Mexican again
>     <http://www.santafenewmexican.com/news/local_news/half-truths-falsehoods-create-confusion-in-soda-tax-fight/article_68ac5a30-7159-5a1d-913a-a625dfa36e8d.html>,
>     lemonade powder would be taxed on the made up quantity changing
>     the price from something like $7/can to $28/can - bad 'optics'.
>
>     Some claimed tourists might be big contributors to the soda-tax
>     revenues anyway.
>
>     Some people suggested they would buy sugary drinks in order to
>     support Pre-K.
>
>     Others suggested the beverage industry ('Big Soda') could not
>     stand the idea that the soda-tax would be a seen as sin-tax and
>     are trying desperately not to get it labelled as such.
>
>     No-one on the for side in the campaign I saw made any suggestions
>     on what folks should switch to to avoid the tax, e.g. flavored
>     water, water, plain teas and coffees. The last being more
>     profitable for businesses.
>
>     Based on district voting the people most likely to benefit health
>     wise voted against it. Sound familiar?
>
>     It's claimed the for side didn't play up the health benefits
>     enough in their campaign and that Big Soda came over as the local
>     group while the the for side came over as elitist and out of state.
>
>     If passed, lookout for Soda stands outside the city limits.
>
>     So it all looks a little silly. I support both ideas tho' living
>     in the county I couldn't vote.
>
>     The questions remain: how to fund Pre-K and how to cut consumption
>     of unhealthy sugary drinks? The against side said it should be
>     funded from the 'surplus' the city has but there are legal
>     restrictions on those funds apparently. The city has it's own
>     component of Gross Receipts Tax (which is like a Sales Tax but
>     applied more broadly).
>
>     So what's the real problem and how do we fix it?  The mayor is
>     still looking for good ideas.
>
>     Robert C
>
>     On 5/3/17 9:43 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
>
>         < $13-16k per year is a huge number. Does this include "child
>         care" .. i.e. taking care of the child for working parents?
>         That is a lot more expensive than "pre-school".>
>
>         Doggy day care is about half that.  If a dog has the
>         intelligence of a 2 year old, and pre-K child is 4, then a
>         linear extrapolation to an 18 year freshman’s day care
>         (tuition) is about $63k a year.  Must be the complexity of the
>         control system that is required!
>
>         Marcus
>
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