[FRIAM] Any non-biological complex systems?

[Russ Abbott]

I'll buy the ones Steven Smith mentioned. But those are mainly weather and
related. I guess that could be generalized to weather and geology.

I don't see why formation of galaxies, stars and planets would be
considered a complex system phenomenon unless all of physics would be.

A vortex or hurricane or other dissipative system?

I'd rule out high speed trading since it's done with computers and works
only because it interacts with people trading.

All the examples I like (weather, etc.) are open systems that have energy
flowing through them. That often generates interesting phenomena. (As we
mentioned above dissipative systems <https://goo.gl/WGAZ9Q>.) Do you think
that's enough to qualify a system as complex? (I know, as Steve said, it's
a fuzzy term.) They all reflect "emergence" of some sort -- even though I
don't like that term these days. But they lack the quality of complexity
that we find in systems containing agents with some degree of autonomy.

Are there any non-biological, non-human, non-computer systems that would
qualify as consisting of autonomous agents?

On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 8:48 PM Gillian Densmore <gil.densmore at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Although Donder's Son  may have a fine example.  The clouds (gas things)
>  Jupiter or saturns weather are fine example of complicated stuff only
> those planets make.
>
> On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 9:04 PM, Steven A Smith <sasmyth at swcp.com> wrote:
>
>> "Complex Systems" being a somewhat fuzzy concept, this is hard/easy to
>> answer.
>>
>>
>> Any physical system comprised of large numbers of similar or identical
>> elements  which interact and yield non-linear collective behaviour seems
>> like a good enough definition for your purposes.   Sand dune formation and
>> (breaking) waves and cloud formation/dissipation all seem like pretty good
>> candidates, not to mention the aforementioned weather in general.
>> Earthquake/Rift/Mountain formain seems like a good fit as well as wind/rain
>> erosion of soil in general.
>>
>> On 5/24/17 8:56 PM, cody dooderson wrote:
>>
>> Is a vortex like a funnel cloud or the Saturn's hexagon considered a
>> complex system?
>>
>> Cody Smith
>>
>> On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 8:31 PM, Marcus Daniels <marcus at snoutfarm.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> High speed trading comes close to not involving people.    Other
>>> examples that come to mind involve some autonomous (biological) agent
>>> creating demand.   For example, energy or data or transportation networks
>>> are responding to a logistical demand created by people.   Netflix (vs.
>>> adaptive routing) is a demand created by people.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> As companies like Google begin to build agents that build models and
>>> satisfy constraints the requests they initiate will become more adaptive.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Friam [mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *Russ
>>> Abbott
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 24, 2017 6:59 PM
>>> *To:* FRIAM <friam at redfish.com>
>>> *Subject:* [FRIAM] Any non-biological complex systems?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Are there any good examples of a complex system that doesn't involve
>>> biological organisms (including human beings)?
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