[FRIAM] AI and argument

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Well, keeping people talking *can* be the problem.  And we don't really want to shut them up when they go off the rails.  Boring story: At a recent beer festival, a friend of mine was ranting about their neighbor and how _crazy_ she is, for any of a number of meanings of the word "crazy".  My friend has reached out to our government funded, volunteer-driven program: https://resolutionsnorthwest.org/community/neighborhood-mediation-2/.

During our conversation, however, me and my friend disagreed (fundamentally) on the differences between judges, arbitrators, mediators, and facilitators.  During the exchange, my friend committed https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/appeal-to-authority.  I tried to stop them by calling out the fallacy.  That didn't work.  They accused me of condescension. [sigh]  So, I asserted that I would counter-argue by *also* appealing to authority.  And it worked!  My friend acquiesced.  As usual, the meta-ness of the discussion (appealing to authority while arguing about methods of arguing) was lost on everyone.

On 10/03/2017 10:54 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
> Ha.  I can imagine putting candidates in booths.   The computer could parse the outputs and decide whether to repeat them to the audience.  Bzzt.   Rhetoric.  Bzzt.   False statements.  Bzzt.  Ad hominem.    Bing.   Extended neutral elaboration [by the computer].   Keeping people talking, that’s all fine and good.   But how to shut them up with they go off the rails?
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> *From:* Friam [mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *Nick Thompson
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 3, 2017 11:42 AM
> *To:* 'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group' <friam at redfish.com>
> *Cc:* 'Jon Zingale' <jonzingale at gmail.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] AI and argument
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> The article relates to a project I dreamed of ... helping people who disagree have a fair argument.  In my notion, a team of philosophy students, masquerading as a program, directed discussants toward fair argument with a view, perhaps, ultimately, in my dreams, teaching a program to step in for the students. 


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