[FRIAM] What is Stopping Poor People From Moving? - The Atlantic

[Gillian Densmore]

Sssh Ed you're making sense :P. I'm stuck on the part of why a stable
house, food clothing etc are optional.

On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 7:32 PM, Edward Angel <angel at cs.unm.edu> wrote:

> There are a number of things that bother me about the article.
>
> First, most (poor) people don’t need a bunch of academics to tell them
> that a higher wage is an illusion if the cost of living is astronomical.
>
> Second, regardless of your philosophical position on affordable housing,
> as hinted at in the last paragraph of the article, if ain’t going to happen.
>
> Third, in spite of the high cost of living people are still pouring into
> CA and NY. Why? That’s the issue of importance. My view is that it’s all
> about immigration and deferred gratification. The people coming into CA and
> NY are immigrants both from other countries and other parts of the US. They
> realize the issue of high cost of living and are willing to take on
> multiple jobs (think of Uber drivers in San Francisco), take on jobs others
> don’t want, commute long distances and live in less than ideal
> circumstances because of the opportunities not necessarily for themselves
> but for their children and their children’s children. Many of my
> grandparents’s generation, all of whom were immigrants, came to the US into
> far worse living conditions than they had in Europe. Those who weren’t
> willing to make those sacrifices for future generations stayed. That’s
> still true for many groups today, whether in West Virginia or Latin America
> or Eastern Europe.
>
> The UK is great example of this. In the north there are multiple
> generations living in poverty in the same places their families have lived
> for generations while London is full of Eastern Europeans (from the EEU
> countries). Similar to the US? Housing is even more expensive there.
>
> To take a slightly different view from Steve, a large part of the
> migration to CA, especially after WWII, was to the opportunities offered by
> free education. For example, my ex-wifes’s family came to CA from Iowa then
> with six kids, all of whom got college degrees from the California
> colleges. Wouldn’t have happened if they stayed in Iowa.
>
> Yes, things have changed a lot and the present generation often does not
> have the opportunities mine did. But the solution is not affordable
> housing. It has to be centered around free education and support for people
> whose jobs have disappeared.
>
> Santa Fe is in a somewhat different situation is that unlike CA and NY
> there are very few jobs available regardless of your educational level.
> Affordable housing won’t fix that although it may help keep police, firemen
> and teachers here. But unless, SF and NM in general does something about
> education in the state, things are unlikely to get better.
>
> Ed
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> On Oct 13, 2017, at 2:54 PM, Tom Johnson <tom at jtjohnson.com> wrote:
>
> Pertinent to this morning's discussion.
>
> The Barriers Stopping Poor People From Moving to Better Jobs
> https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2017/10/
> geographic-mobility-and-housing/542439/
>
> TJ
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