[FRIAM] The Atlantic article on "the illusion of reality"

[Russ Abbott]

Nick wrote, "the idea of a real world outside experience is nonsense"

What does that say about areas of the universe or periods of the universe
that have no experiencing beings?

Also, we synchronize our experiences so that we can communicate. (And we
manage to do that reasonably well most of the time.) Is there any reason
that's even possible if there is no real world outside each person's
individual experience? (Or does this misrepresent what you have in mind?)

On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 8:26 PM Nick Thompson <nickthompson at earthlink.net>
wrote:

> Marcus,
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> To be honest, I have never seen what philosophy has to do with quantum
> mechanics.  I agree with you that the idea of a real world outside
> experience is nonsense but I don’t see how QM gets you there.  Peirce held
> that all “objective” observation consist of guesses at what we all, the
> community of inquiry, will agree is real, after much discussion, in the
> very long run.  So it’s all experience, all the way down, except that
> “reality” is a sort of future experience.  No dualism allowed.
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> Nick
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> Nicholas S. Thompson
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> Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
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> Clark University
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> http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/
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> *From:* Friam [mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *Marcus
> Daniels
> *Sent:* Monday, September 18, 2017 10:40 PM
> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <
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> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] The Atlantic article on "the illusion of reality"
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> "Experiment after experiment has shown—defying common sense—that if we
> assume that the particles that make up ordinary objects have an objective,
> observer-independent existence, we get the wrong answers. The central
> lesson of quantum physics is clear: There are no public objects sitting out
> there in some preexisting space."
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> For some reason, many scientists seem to believe that they are independent
> observers and not part of the physics they measure.   If they can give that
> up, then things make more sense.
>
> Marcus
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> *Sent:* Monday, September 18, 2017 7:56:16 PM
> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
> *Subject:* [FRIAM] The Atlantic article on "the illusion of reality"
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> This resonates with various Framework discussions.  I think it's an area
> of interest to Nick.
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> https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2016/04/the-illusion-of-reality/479559/?utm_source=atlfb
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> Frank Wimberly
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Russ Abbott
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California State University, Los Angeles
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