[FRIAM] The Atlantic article on "the illusion of reality"

[Nick Thompson]

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In what sense philosophers?  They liked to entertain lofty thoughts?  Or, they were systematic thinkers in relation to things beyond the realm of physics?  

 

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Nicholas S. Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology

Clark University

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Nick, the quantum physicists that I worked with during my four years at CNLS were very much also philosophers.  I think it kept them reasonably sane.

 

On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 9:26 PM, Nick Thompson <nickthompson at earthlink.net <mailto:nickthompson at earthlink.net> > wrote:

Marcus, 

 

To be honest, I have never seen what philosophy has to do with quantum mechanics.  I agree with you that the idea of a real world outside experience is nonsense but I don’t see how QM gets you there.  Peirce held that all “objective” observation consist of guesses at what we all, the community of inquiry, will agree is real, after much discussion, in the very long run.  So it’s all experience, all the way down, except that “reality” is a sort of future experience.  No dualism allowed. 

 

Nick   

 

Nicholas S. Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology

Clark University

 <http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/> http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

 

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"Experiment after experiment has shown—defying common sense—that if we assume that the particles that make up ordinary objects have an objective, observer-independent existence, we get the wrong answers. The central lesson of quantum physics is clear: There are no public objects sitting out there in some preexisting space."

For some reason, many scientists seem to believe that they are independent observers and not part of the physics they measure.   If they can give that up, then things make more sense.

Marcus

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This resonates with various Framework discussions.  I think it's an area of interest to Nick.

 

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2016/04/the-illusion-of-reality/479559/?utm_source=atlfb

Frank Wimberly
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