[FRIAM] Weird observation

[Curt McNamara]

Actually the question was about the nurse :-) and (from my understanding)
the dynamics of medicine is such that nurses *don't* give doctors feedback
on things like this. So the good advice here (which i agree with) would
need to be passed onto the doctor directly

           Curt

On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 10:20 AM, Marcus Daniels <marcus at snoutfarm.com>
wrote:

> Perhaps the first step needs to be "How sensitive is this patient to
> bedside manner?", and from that estimate then prioritize the relative
> timing of one sort of analysis over another.   I assume I'm dealing with an
> intelligent, if imperfect, person.    I think it takes some self-control to
> be a good patient, too.
>
> On 7/13/18, 9:13 AM, "Friam on behalf of ∄ uǝʃƃ" <
> friam-bounces at redfish.com on behalf of gepropella at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>     Perhaps.  But if that's the case, I would immediately leave and find
> another Dr.  As I explained before, and is peppered throughout Renee's
> training, the "assessment of the patient", which involves really *looking*
> at the patient, is more powerful than any other (set of) metric(s).
>
>     To be clear, the patient assessment machine can be completely
> autistic.  But they must "assess the patient" by looking at her.
>
>     On 07/13/2018 08:06 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
>     > Is it not possible the doctor looking at her computer is just like
> Glen listening to music without moving?    Focusing on the facts of the
> matter and not on distracting emotional signals?
>     >
>     > On 7/13/18, 9:03 AM, "Friam on behalf of ∄ uǝʃƃ" <
> friam-bounces at redfish.com on behalf of gepropella at gmail.com> wrote:
>     >
>     >     For what it's worth, my Dr. thanked me after our 1st
> interaction.  He walked in with his laptop, sat down and started poking at
> it.  I then used my familiarity with electronic medical records (I was a
> product mgr at such a company at one point) to finagle his attention and
> demonstrate our mutual affinity for how computation can help him provide
> good healthcare.  I even explained how I'd looked him up online beforehand
> and knew all the schools he went to and that he had no active malpractice
> suits against him.  (Which was no small feat since he's an immigrant from
> India.)
>     >
>     >     That interaction successfully grabbed his attention.  Perhaps,
> since you're also computer literate, you could use the same trick next time
> a Dr's attention is too focused on the computer?
>     >
>     >     On 07/13/2018 07:48 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
>     >     > It is a bigger problem that people are more concerned about
> `getting along’ than they are about maintaining a functional government.
>     >     > As for doctors, I don’t want them to my friend.   I want them
> to take their limited time and focus their extensive training, to
> rationalize the symptoms I present.
>     >     >
>     >     > From: Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> on behalf of Gillian
> Densmore <gil.densmore at gmail.com>
>     >     > Reply-To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <
> friam at redfish.com>
>     >     > Date: Friday, July 13, 2018 at 8:39 AM
>     >     > To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <
> friam at redfish.com>
>     >     > Subject: [FRIAM] Weird observation
>     >     >
>     >     > While at doctor's office trying ask a nurse to politely
> express to a doctor that it comes off as rude when that doc is obssed with
> a computer gets a reaction like you've invented warp drive.
>     >     >
>     >     > Is it really that unusual for people to try to actively be
> cordial these days? If so captian we got a problem!
>
>
>     --
>     ∄ uǝʃƃ
>
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