[FRIAM] Open Letter, draft #2

Sat Oct 27 20:05:12 EDT 2018

Frank, Jon, John, etc., 

I wish you guys would look at Rosen.  I would be happy to loan you my copy.  In Chapter 4, The Concept of State, he is arguing that assumptions deep in Newtonian Mechanics preclude or constrain a discussion of biological organization (let alone, a psychological one) leading to a fallacious sense of reduceability.  His argument is mathematical, and involves assumptions built into what he calls Newtonian “chronicles”, mathematical expressions that have time of occurrence on the x axis and position, or velocity, or acceleration, or … or etc. on the Y.  Something about the manner in which Newton sets this all up is claimed to obscure organizational properties of systems.  Somehow, the problem of organization is made to disappear.   Best I can do.  

Nick 

Nicholas S. Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology

Clark University

 <http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/> http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

From: Friam [mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com] On Behalf Of Frank Wimberly
Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2018 5:24 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam at redfish.com>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Open Letter, draft #2

Well, I'm not a sequential machine although my wife has her doubts.

Thanks for the algebraic geometry suggestions.  Jon Zingale and I will try to master the subject.  Others may join us on Saturday mornings if they wish.

Frank

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On Sat, Oct 27, 2018, 5:16 PM John Kennison <JKennison at clarku.edu <mailto:JKennison at clarku.edu> > wrote:

Hi Frank,

I didn't realize it was supposed to be a joke --it seemed like a relevant example. I'm not an algebraic geometer but:

 . . . there is a historical survey in https://www.ime.usp.br/~pleite/pub/artigos/abhyankar/abhyankar.pdf

 <https://www.ime.usp.br/~pleite/pub/artigos/abhyankar/abhyankar.pdf> Historical Ramblings in Algebraic Geometry and Related Algebra

www.ime.usp.br <http://www.ime.usp.br> 

Historical Ramblings in Algebraic Geometry and Related Algebra Author(s): Shreeram S. Abhyankar Source: The American Mathematical Monthly, Vol. 83, No. 6 (Jun. - Jul ...

If you read that you can tell if you like Ahbyankar's style. He wrote a more thorough survey in 295 pages called "Algebraic Geometry for Scientists and Engineers'' (including computer scientists. 

--John

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From: Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com <mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com> > on behalf of Frank Wimberly <wimberly3 at gmail.com <mailto:wimberly3 at gmail.com> >
Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2018 5:53:53 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Open Letter, draft #2 

Sorry, John.  It was a weak attempt to be humorous. 

Also, I mistyped.  I meant "algebraic geometry" when I was asking for a book recommendation.

Frank

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On Sat, Oct 27, 2018, 12:56 PM Marcus Daniels <marcus at snoutfarm.com <mailto:marcus at snoutfarm.com> > wrote:

John writes:

“Is there something that animals, or more particularly humans, can do which we can prove cannot be duplicated by a sequential machine?”

A sequential computer program could simply be a loop that sampled random numbers and indexed into the address space of the computer program itself (not its memory).   One could make a specialized computer using a FPGA that even had an instruction to do that random dispatching.   To counter the arguments of Penrose, one could do the same using quantum states.

https://www.springer.com/us/book/9781402078941

There are all kinds of physical processes that are simulated on classical supercomputers, of course.

Marcus

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