[FRIAM] Motives - Was Abduction

[Frank Wimberly]

Anyway, if my speculation is close, then Trump doesn't intend or WANT to
communicate or persuade, only to perform.

This is consistent with his saying *everything* three times.  He turns a 15
minute performance into a 45 minute one.
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On Fri, Jan 11, 2019, 1:31 PM uǝlƃ ☣ <gepropella at gmail.com wrote:

> Heh.  When I was tasked with explaining agent-based modeling to some art
> students in Sweden, I made heavy use of the gooey colloid metaphor. There
> were a lot of blank stares in the audience. 8^)  But the guy who hired me
> was happy with the presentation.  So, who knows?
>
> I think I agree with Marcus.  Trump is neither a good communicator nor a
> good persuader.  If I were going to say something positive about him, I'd
> call him a poet, since I view poetry as a balance act between being *just*
> descriptive enough to imply some thing, but vague enough to allow the
> audience maximum freedom to fill in whatever nonsense they want to from
> their own imagination.  Whether Trump trains himself in his poetry or if he
> was trained by his genes and rearing is irrelevant.  And all that should be
> read with the knowledge that I do not like poetry.  I do like
> *performative* poetry to some extent, though.  I'm fans of the epic rants
> of someone like Lewis Black, spoken-word lyrics, some rap, etc.  But if you
> compare a good performer (actors, comedians, rappers) to Trump, there's
> still something missing from his public presentations.
>
> One speculation I like is that Trump is a small-group presenter, not a
> large group presenter.  The only explanation I can come up with for the
> loyalty his "friends" show him is that he must be a pretty good
> interpersonal manipulator.  One on one, perhaps Trump is respectful,
> flattering, etc.  And it's just when he gets into a larger audience that he
> flubs it.  It's difficult to manipulate a large number of people (unless
> they're *already* pre-adapted to the manipulation like at his rallies).
>
> Anyway, if my speculation is close, then Trump doesn't intend or WANT to
> communicate or persuade, only to perform.
>
> And the tight weave thing was definitely a compliment, and very much on
> the topic of speaking with language that hangs together and can
> communicate/persuade, even if *you* don't intend or want to. 8^)
>
> On 1/11/19 11:43 AM, Steven A Smith wrote:
> > As a compulsive intuitive modeler of "everything" as a network/field
> dual, all this resonates well.  I also like your characterization as "gooey
> colloid" and was reminded of JJ Thompson's Plum-Pudding model of atoms.
> >
> > I also like your action/consideration dual to rights/responsibilities...
> sort of a verb/noun or active/passive duality?
> >
> > Regarding the use of the term "effectivity".   I long ago began to
> rephrase statements using "good" with similar statements being
> "effective".   e.g. "Science is good at X" with "Science is effective for
> addressing the topic/problem/question of X".   The key point is to replace
> an absolute value judgement with a more contextualized and relative one.
> >
> > If Trump claimed "A Physical Barrier like a Concrete Wall or a
> Beautifully Artistic Steel Slatted Fence is particularly effective in
> helping personnel in charge of maintaining border security stop the casual
> crossing of the border without appropriate inspection of cargo and entry
> documents" rather than the variety of simpleton dumbass claims he *does
> make*, he would A) put most people to sleep; B) be part of a constructive
> conversation toward improving the effectiveness of our southern national
> border.
> >
> > - Steve
> >
> > PS.  Thanks for the (underhanded?) complement on my "tight weave".   I
> started to claim that I don't *intend* to make the discourse more difficult
> to analyze, then I realized, that I probably DO intend to prevent the
> context of any given conversation from being trivialized or made degenerate
> for the sake of clarity over meaning.
>
> --
> ☣ uǝlƃ
>
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