[FRIAM] query and observation

Fri Sep 13 21:47:50 EDT 2019

Didn't you get the names interchanged?  I thought Nick was the one who
thought that the only thing you can know about an individual is his/her
observable behavior.

Frank

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Phone (505) 670-9918

On Thu, Sep 12, 2019, 4:48 PM Nick Thompson <nickthompson at earthlink.net>
wrote:

> So, you are late meeting the train to Albuquerque.  As you drive into the
> station, you see a train sitting at the platform, absolutely motionless.
> You rush up to the conductor and demand to know, “Is this train going to
> Albuquerque?”  “No!” the Frank, conductor replies.  As you can plainly see,
> it is sitting here not going anywhere.”  Confused, you rush down to the
> other end of the car where there is another conductor, Nick and you ask the
> same question. “Yes,” Nick replies.  “Given what this train has been doing
> all day and how it is standing in the station, and the time of day, there
> is every reason to believe that this train is going to Albuquerque.  C’mon
> aboard!”  “Shouldn’t I ask the engineer first?” you ask.  “Well, you
> might.  He has a lot of experience with this train.  But the answer is so
> obvious that he might pull your leg, and you’ld miss the train.  Are you
> getting on, or not?.
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> Nick
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> Nicholas S. Thompson
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> Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
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> Clark University
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> http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/
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> *From:* Friam [mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *Frank
> Wimberly
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 12, 2019 5:59 PM
> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <
> friam at redfish.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] query and observation
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> Straw man:
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> Nick:  People don't think, they only behave.
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> Frank:  You reached that conclusion by thinking.
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> Nick:  You presume to have observed my reaching the conclusion.
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> Frank:  I am certain your mind works like mine.
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> Nick:  How could you know that?  You are a Cartesian.
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> Frank:  And proud of it.
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> Nick:  People don't feel; they infer their feelings from their behavior.
> They recognize hunger from eating or food seeking behavior.
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> Frank:  I know I'm hungry from feeling hungry.  I could feel hungry while
> totally still, with no observable behavior.
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> Nick:  No because...
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> Etc., etc....
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> No resolution to date.
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> -----------------------------------
> Frank Wimberly
>
> My memoir:
> https://www.amazon.com/author/frankwimberly
>
> My scientific publications:
> https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Frank_Wimberly2
>
> Phone (505) 670-9918
>
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 12, 2019, 12:17 PM Steven A Smith <sasmyth at swcp.com> wrote:
>
> We love our "flocking" models but FRIAM is less of a 'birds-of-a-feather'
> group than something much harder to similize.  It feels to me that some of
> our conversations are a bit flocky or schooly (rarely herdy) but others are
> more geophysical like flares or eruptions...  a good schoolyard "pileon"
> occasionally happens as well... and then there are... as we are now
> contemplating, the long dark-tea-times of our collective-soul.
>
> On 9/12/19 10:04 AM, Gary Schiltz wrote:
>
> FRIAM is such a strange beast. At times full of philosophical
> discourse that flies far above my head, other times full of
> irreverent inanities that defy categorization, and occasionally even with
> something to do with complexity. And then the periodic deafening silence
> that makes me realize just how much I would miss it if it were to go away.
> Long live FRIAM.
>
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> On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 10:45 AM Nick Thompson <nickthompson at earthlink.net>
> wrote:
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> Frank, Dave,
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> Well I AM tied up with relocation issues, so haven’t been paying close
> attention, but …
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>
> I just did a search in my inbox and there is nothing from FRIAM from 24
> August on.
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> I have always understood that the Friam-Owner. is like the wine pourer at
> a classical “symposium”,  more or less watering the wine to maintain the
> flow and quality of the conversation.  He won’t admit to it of course, but
> every once in a while He “shuts me off” from friam when He thinks I have
> become too … agitated?  I assume He is also gently modulating your
> contributions in the same way, as a beneficent god should.  I don’t know
> how He gets the time to do it, but nothing else could possibly explain the
> fact that sometimes our emails just go missing for a while.  So, I didn’t
> get alarmed when I stopped receiving FRIAM correspondence in late August.
> I just assumed that the All Powerful Friam-Owner was giving me a rest.
>
>
>
> Thank you APF-O.  We love you and worship you.
>
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> Nick
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> Ps.  Let me know if you don’t get this message.  (};-\)
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> Nicholas S. Thompson
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> Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
>
> Clark University
>
> http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/
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> *From:* Friam [mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *Frank
> Wimberly
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 12, 2019 8:02 AM
> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <
> friam at redfish.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] query and observation
>
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> Dave,
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> The Friam list remains as you can see but is sort of a trickle.  I posted
> a couple of items about the Cooper/Colbert interview and something I can't
> remember but they weren't up to the high intellectual standard which
> engages you, Glen, Marcus, Nick, et al.  Glen did comment insightfully.
> Nick will be back in Santa Fe soon; maybe the change in location will
> stimulate him.
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> Frank
>
> -----------------------------------
> Frank Wimberly
>
> My memoir:
> https://www.amazon.com/author/frankwimberly
>
> My scientific publications:
> https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Frank_Wimberly2
>
> Phone (505) 670-9918
>
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 12, 2019, 12:42 AM Prof David West <profwest at fastmail.fm>
> wrote:
>
> Hello All,
>
> Traffic on the FRIAM list seems to have ground to a halt, from my
> reception point in Amsterdam - i.e. I have seen nothing for some time. Not
> in spam filter, so question is has the list trickled to a stop or just not
> making it across the Atlantic.?
>
> Observation: an interesting coincidence arising from reading a new book,
> The Case Against Reality, How evolution hid the truth from our eyes, by
> Donald D. Hoffman, professor of cognitive science at UC Irvine. Main thesis
> is that what we perceive is but a constructed, via evolution,  "interface"
> and not a veridical perception of "Reality."
>
> Not a new idea but the evolution / survival / fittest being the ones that
> see the optimal interface instead of what is behind the interface is
> interesting.
>
> Coincidence comes from simultaneously rereading Heidegger and Gadamer, and
> even some Peirce,  and seeing apparent parallels between "interface,:
> "interpretation," and "experience."  Feels like a lot of Nick's Monism
> convictions might be illuminated by looking at these works in juxtaposition.
>
> dave west
>
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