[FRIAM] Bees in one's Bonnet (syndrome)

[Steve Smith]

Nick -

You will notice that I did (finally) change the subject line of my
latest thread-fray (i.e. Estuarial Stigmergy)...  I was feeling badly
for you to have to see your name up over and over on the subject line. 
Since I was the one to coin "Nick's Recovery" I will accept some blame
for not helping to redirect/damp it sooner.  

I misheard your original post (to beg off being at vFriam) as a hint
that you might have been just then falling down a COVID hole.     I take
this all to mean that you did not, in fact, have any COVID symptoms or
even a COVID scare, and for that I am grateful (on your behalf as well
as that of my empathy).

As for the Bees in one's Bonnet (syndrome)...  I am probably more prone
to diving down those holes than you (and many others here) are, but less
than a few likely suspects (who needn't be named).   It sounds as if you
have been wrestling with some of your own phantasms of some sort and I
don't need to play tag-team with them, helping them to wrestle you to
the ground (or bash you with a folding chair). 

I like your question:  "Where the hell does the information come
from?"... and trust that many here will draw their sabers (or wet
noodles) and give it a good working over.   I'll save my own throwdown
for after the fray frays the question a little more.

- Steve

On 12/8/20 10:20 AM, thompnickson2 at gmail.com wrote:
>
> Colleaugues,
>
>  
>
> There are many of us long in the tooth on this list, and I think we
> should adopt some best practices lest the intellectual life of the
> list become drowned in laments about lumbago.  In retrospect,  I wish
> I had informed one of you privately, asked that person to briefly
> inform the attendees when I went missing at vFriam, and to be a point
> person to any who would persue the matter further.
>
>  
>
> I tried, unsuccessfully,  to bridge to the less personal topic to
> Bonnett's Syndrome, which as Frank knew well, presented some problems
> to me philosophically.  Some of you -- perhaps many -- are familiar
> with psychodelic experiences and all of you presumably with dreaming. 
> The enormous inventiveness and creativity of these experiences, their
> complex structures, and  blooming buzzing confusions, their wildly
> improbable transitions, are a challenge to any poor monist.  Where the
> hell does the information come from?
>
>  
>
> It seems to me that my experience is but a flea on the behemoth of my
> brain.  I am not inclined to go digging in there, but I can see why
> some of you are.
>
>  
>
> Nick
>
>  
>
> Nicholas Thompson
>
> Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology
>
> Clark University
>
> ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com
>
> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/
>
>  
>
>  
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> On Behalf Of u?l? ???
> Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 10:20 AM
> To: friam at redfish.com
> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Nick's Recovery
>
>  
>
> Nicely circular! You don't have to know/believe the meaning of your
> words, for those words to have meaning. I'm particularly fond of how
> abusers will say something abhorrent, then act all surprised when
> victims take offense. The abuser often takes the stance that they were
> simply joking and the snowflake should grow a thicker skin. I'm as
> guilty as the rest.
>
>  
>
> On 12/8/20 8:15 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
>
> > I was kidding, of course.. believing the topic to be devoid of
> meaning, and so more absurd than abusive.
>
> >
>
> > -----Original Message-----
>
> > From: Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com
> <mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com>> On Behalf Of u?l? ???
>
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 8:09 AM
>
> > To: friam at redfish.com <mailto:friam at redfish.com>
>
> > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Nick's Recovery
>
> >
>
> > It's important, even/especially for long-term partners, to reflect
> on possibly abusive habits. Even if the abused and the abuser *agree*
> that the habit isn't intentional abuse, an outsider will often
> *rightly* identify the habit as abusive.
>
> >
>
> > On 12/7/20 6:23 PM, Frank Wimberly wrote:
>
> >> If you agree that was mean please accept my sincere apologies.  I
> am hoping that you didn't find it so.  Marcus hasn't been privy to the
> hundreds of frank, sometimes humorous, in-person exchanges between us
> over the last 15+ years and I meant it in that spirit.
>
>  
>
>  
>
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