[FRIAM] Fwd: NO LANL IN SANTA FE! Wednesday, 12; 00 outside SF City Hall; bring friends

Marcus Daniels marcus at snoutfarm.com
Tue Jan 14 10:47:29 EST 2020 

The only sure way to stop a bully is by force.  There are a lot of ways to do that.   The weapons labs focus on one.  Mostly, the private sector ends-up developing others.  It is a conspicuous difference.   It is not so far- fetched to me to imagine a future where defense is further privatized, like firefighting is starting to be in California.  It sounds terrible but the current situation is pretty bad too.

Marcus

On Jan 14, 2020, at 7:18 AM, Frank Wimberly <wimberly3 at gmail.com> wrote:


Agreed but I think Netanyahu is l
more likely to nuke Iran than Trump is likely to get away with attacking anyone.

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On Tue, Jan 14, 2020, 8:08 AM Merle Lefkoff <merlelefkoff at gmail.com<mailto:merlelefkoff at gmail.com>> wrote:
I don't trust any government, especially ours at the present moment, to have any moral compass.

On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 8:03 AM Frank Wimberly <wimberly3 at gmail.com<mailto:wimberly3 at gmail.com>> wrote:
North Korea, Pakistan, potentially Iran, Israel, Russia ...  Do you trust them to be as moral as you are?

I had a dream last night about being surrounded by Russians.  When I awoke I learned that they were hacking into Burisma.

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On Tue, Jan 14, 2020, 7:43 AM Merle Lefkoff <merlelefkoff at gmail.com<mailto:merlelefkoff at gmail.com>> wrote:
Sorry, George.  There's a bigger picture here.  I went to CNLS because I could work with complex systems scientists who were not doing weapons work, and I had access to post-docs from all over the world (not true any more).  But Lanl is what it is, and it's stupidly but not unexpectedly, building parts for new nuclear weapons.

On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 11:01 PM George Duncan <gtduncan at gmail.com<mailto:gtduncan at gmail.com>> wrote:
Based on my experience at LANL, Marcus’s assessments are correct. Indeed much of LANL activity involves basic science that most of us would find quite laudable. And many in its   technical staff are our neighbors.

On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 8:33 PM Marcus Daniels <marcus at snoutfarm.com<mailto:marcus at snoutfarm.com>> wrote:
< There are many powerful people in Washington who know LANL specializes in taxpayer ripoffs. >

I am confident the use of such a property would be for science, administration, and outreach & training functions, not secure national work.   It would probably make a lot of LANL employees happy, as many of them live in Santa Fe.    Anyway, get real, if it wasn't for all the federal money, cities in New Mexico would collapse, there would be no SFI, etc.

Marcus
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This letter: Press conference outside Santa Fe City Hall at noon on Wednesday Jan. 15 (map<https://goo.gl/maps/ycyfawsEqEYzu3wG9>) -- please come, and please recruit others

Dear New Mexico friends –

As we have explained in previous letters<http://www.lasg.org/letters/letters.html>, Wednesday is the day on which the City will announce the finalists for "Master Developer" of the former College of Santa Fe site (and possibly surrounding properties as well, a 64- to ~100-acre project). The National Nuclear Security Administration (NNSA) has applied for this role. NNSA and/or Los Alamos National Laboratory (LANL) are present in some (not all) other proposals, as tenant(s).

The situation is opaque, fluid, and developing. So far, Mayor Webber has disdainfully rebuffed our requests to meet or discuss the momentous social, cultural, and economic development impacts of placing a nuclear weapons campus in Santa Fe. (Don't be deceived -- that is exactly what LANL is and what this would be.)

People power may be the only force stronger than LANL's money and corruption. We really need you to help us expand our numbers.

If you live anywhere nearby please come to this joint press conference, and please ask as many friends to come as possible. Sheer attendance matters. A strong showing Wednesday will save countless hours of work later, and will give wings to efforts to push back on LANL's entirely unjustified expansion. There are many powerful people in Washington who know LANL specializes in taxpayer ripoffs. Some of them need to see some spine from us out here to take to their bosses.

New Mexico is being selected to be a nuclear weapons support and sacrifice area. That now includes the Santa Fe metro area.

We may not know know the outcome of this first Midtown Campus decision by noon Wednesday but regardless of that we must seize the day.

While it seems absurd that NNSA could be a possible "master developer," we can't be sure that Mayor Webber and the people around him wouldn't want that -- or want, say, a training facility for plutonium workers. We just don't know.

This event will also give us a chance for us to network with each other and with representatives of any other groups present, as well as speak to any City officials willing to do so.

Getting people to come on Wednesday is the sole action item we are recommending right now. It is very, very important!

Thank you!

Greg, Trish, Lydia, Ernie, Michelle, and the rest of the Study Group

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