[FRIAM] Fwd: NO LANL IN SANTA FE! Wednesday, 12; 00 outside SF City Hall; bring friends

[Angel Edward]

I agree with your observations. The problem is that your fix is exactly what is happening with our best students. They leave. 

For those of us concerned with economic development is a state which leads in childhood poverty, the labs are not an asset, largely because of precisely the points we agree on. And that’s not commenting on the ethical issues or on whether society at large should support the labs through our taxes.

One helpful fix for the state/city is not to consider the labs as a source of expertise on economic development.

Ed
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Ed Angel

Founding Director, Art, Research, Technology and Science Laboratory (ARTS Lab)
Professor Emeritus of Computer Science, University of New Mexico

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> On Jan 14, 2020, at 10:24 AM, Marcus Daniels <marcus at snoutfarm.com> wrote:
> 
> Ed writes:
>  
> “In area in which I’ve worked, there have been large expensive projects at the labs, the quality has been mediocre and the labs are almost totally unrepresented in open conferences and journals. A related issue is that the cost of doing science at the labs is ridiculously high, another consequence of their welfare status. Under the present management, many of the scientists have to seek external funding but the cost of a lab scientist is usually two to three times higher than for a university researcher. Not a good argument for bringing a lab to SF.”
>  
> Generally, it is not practical to be funded at LANL without the DOE (or DOD) funding structure.   That leads to a tendency for staff to attach themselves to large block-funded projects (or money drained from block-funded projects) which may have dubious technical leadership.  Even some senior scientists have to do this.  
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> For physicists and computational people that work 30 or 40 years at the lab, and like that lifestyle – recognizing they will have to cooperate with some projects they don’t care about – LANL is a decent place to do that.   A long career has opportunities that come and go and come back.  The whole system has been built to raise a family on a single income and, unlike LLNL, there’s a recognition it is the only real game in town.  Santa Fe, Los Alamos, and Albuquerque will probably continue to be how they are for decades, and it won’t be like Seattle or San Francisco.   There’s a fix for that:  Moving.
>  
> Marcus
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