[FRIAM] detritus from vFRIAM

[Prof David West]

the self interest is maximizing my presence in the resource niche (memory, cycles). Just like an animal species, I want more of me in the environment than of others.

We must "infer" an entity behind the observable behavior, the same way we infer an entity behind the behavior of an animal or human.

davew


On Fri, Jul 3, 2020, at 1:24 PM, thompnickson2 at gmail.com wrote:
> Thanks, Dave,

> 

> What is the self-interest that is being served in such a system. What is the entity that “has” the interest. 

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> Or am I trapping myself in some stupid loop, here.

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> n

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> Nicholas Thompson

> Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology

> Clark University

> ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com

> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/

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> *From:* Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> *On Behalf Of *Prof David West
> *Sent:* Friday, July 3, 2020 1:19 PM
> *To:* friam at redfish.com
> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] detritus from vFRIAM

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> Nick,

> 

> People write software that self-modifies, learns to shape current actions based on the results of prior actions, clones itself in order to maximize its share of some limited resource (memory or processor cycles) vis-a-vis competing software.

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> This kind of software, once created and deployed, is entirely autonomous. Creators might send messages asking the software to execute a particular behavior, but such messages have no special status, they are just another part of the context to which the software responds. The field is called "evolutionary software."

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> To me, this is an example of a system, that once deployed, is autonomous and acting on its own behalf. It is not aware of any "goals of the whole" only its own will to "thrive."

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> Not sure if this satisfied your request.

> 

> davew

> 

> 

> On Fri, Jul 3, 2020, at 1:06 PM, thompnickson2 at gmail.com wrote:

>> I tried to post this on the vFRIAM chat, but wouldn’t “take”, so I am posting it here:

>> 

>> “Don't do this now, but …. as a favor to me, could you-guys devote some of your shaving time this week to the proposition: "No system ever acts on its own behalf." My intuition is that whenever we investigate a system that appears to act in its own behalf, we will find that it is pursuing a goal that is short of the interest of the whole, but which will produce benefits to the whole because of some property of the world in which it acts. I would love to hear a discussion among people trying to design _a system that acts on its own behalf_. Can someone come up with a simple example of such a system.” 

>> 

>> I grant you that the question is not clear.

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>> Thanks,

>> 

>> Nick

>> 

>> Nicholas Thompson

>> Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology

>> Clark University

>> ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com

>> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/

>> 

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