[FRIAM] chicken-egg::gumflap-talk

[glen∈ℂ]

I can't speak for Nick, but it would be relatively easy to deny the existence of a UNIFIED consciousness without denying the existence of multifarious attentive consciousness. This is largely what I intended to do by focusing on those 2 papers that talk about the [dis]engagement of the motor complexes when *imaging* the generators of whatever behavior one's *observing*. This tendency to abstract is the problem. If we could stop doing that, be just a tiny bit skeptical of the existence of a unified consciousness, then we could make progress *toward* it (or falsifying it). But we can't because EVERYONE keeps assuming it. And they assume it so deeply it's frustrating and conversation becomes pointless.

I turn 55 soon. I don't plan on stopping the deadlift. That sounds like a pretty good way to die, given my alternatives. I can only hope I die while *doing* something. I'm praying [†] for a massive heart attack. One of my cats died that way. It was quick and clean. No mess to clean up or nothing. Way better than another cat that was smashed into the asphalt by an over-sized Jeep tire. That was pretty messy. But at least it was quick and she probably didn't suffer much. I'd hate to force some poor Coroner, EMT, or Renee' to scrape me off the pavement like that.

[†] Of course Crom doesn't answer prayers and the religion comes with no benefit.

On 6/9/20 3:57 PM, Frank Wimberly wrote:
> Associations to Glen's reply to Nick:  Comparing recent discussions here with Nick's description of the communicating mind seems apt to me.  Sometimes I lose track of who's writing and and surprised by the signature.  Nick, your description of the evolution of your theoretical positions is helpful to me.  I am sure that early.in <http://early.in> the history of our discussions you have at times denied the existence of consciousness and mind.  Do I misremember or have you reconsidered?
> 
> Speaking of deadlifting, my colleague Phil, at the Pittsburgh Supercomputing Center, was the European champion in his weight class.  He could deadlift something like 810 pounds.  He died suddenly while trying to lift more while preparing for a match.  It might be a good idea to stop at age 55 or so.