[FRIAM] alternative response

Sun Jun 14 14:52:34 EDT 2020

We don’t all do stuff like that.   Stop generalizing like this.

From: Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> on behalf of "thompnickson2 at gmail.com" <thompnickson2 at gmail.com>
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Date: Sunday, June 14, 2020 at 11:51 AM
To: 'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group' <friam at redfish.com>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] alternative response

So, Jochen,

Let it be the case (ex hypothesi) that The Definitive Study (triple blind, a gazillion subjects) has been completed and it has been shown that NEITHER of these extracts has any effect what-so-ever.  Would you continue to take them?  Why?

Given that we all do stuff like that, on what ground do we have contempt for tin hat folks and climate deniers.

N

Nicholas Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology
Clark University
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https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/

From: Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> On Behalf Of Jochen Fromm
Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2020 12:39 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam at redfish.com>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] alternative response

My parents sometimes took a herbal medicine named "Echinacin" based on the plant Echinace purpurea to strengthen their immune system. It is harmless. I take it as well occasionally, it is available as drops or pills. Pure herbs, no chemicals. I think the feeling that it might help already helps.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Echinacea_purpurea

Valerian extract helps against sleeplessness. It has only mild effects, but it can help if you can not sleep at all. I guess you know both herbs already.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valerian_(herb)

-J.

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From: Prof David West <profwest at fastmail.fm<mailto:profwest at fastmail.fm>>
Date: 6/14/20 20:16 (GMT+01:00)
To: friam at redfish.com<mailto:friam at redfish.com>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] alternative response

Frank,

I think the point of the herbalist is not that a herb will attack a virus directly, but that herbals will enhance a person's immune system in general, including ability to defend against viruses. That is a little less farfetched than the idea, I think, your comment was directed towards.

Nick,

Not as a 'scientist' but merely as a professional and in the discipline of software development. I have substituted my own judgement against the mainstream of Software Engineering since 1968 when SE was invented. My determination to do so is simply the fact that I am right and the rest of the world is insanely wrong.  :)

davew

On Sun, Jun 14, 2020, at 10:11 AM, thompnickson2 at gmail.com<mailto:thompnickson2 at gmail.com> wrote:

Hi, Dave,

I am always interested when any of our members – we who are so hard on the “tin hat people” --,  departsfrom scientific orthodoxy.  What determines when a scientist substitutes his own judgement for that of colleagues in other disciplines?  That’s not a rhetorical question.  And, having done that, why would on ever go to a doctor again?  What about Linus Pauling and vitamin C?

Has anybody heard from Bruce?  Did he make it across?

Nick

Nicholas Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology

Clark University

ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com<mailto:ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com>

https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/

From: Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com<mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com>> On Behalf Of Prof David West
Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2020 7:15 AM
To: friam at redfish.com<mailto:friam at redfish.com>
Subject: [FRIAM] alternative response

My time in Amsterdam put me dead center in the Vegan / Vegetarian / Herbal / Alternative Medicine community, with whom I still correspond. I received this book and a strong recommendation from them. Most of the people in that community are following the ideas in the book and claim high effectiveness.

I have a deep respect for acupuncture and Ayurveda and similar traditions, but am highly skeptical of the "new age" stuff. Nevertheless, in case someone is curious/interested.

Herbal Antivirals: Natural Remedies for Emerging & Resistant Viral Infections

Take control of your health and learn how to use herbs safely and effectively to prevent and fight off a wide range of viral infections, including coronaviruses, SARS, influenza, encephalitis, dengue fever, and more. Expert herbalist Stephen Harrod Buhner offers this exhaustive guide to understanding the antiviral properties of dozens of herbs, backed up by the most recent research studies and findings. In addition to in-depth profiles of the herbs, Buhner provides complete, step-by-step instructions for obtaining high-quality herbs and preparing and using customized herbal formulations for strengthening the immune system and addressing each virus. Discover how these natural remedies can help keep you and your family healthy and strong.

davew
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