[FRIAM] oxytocin, again

[Frank Wimberly]

No.

By the way, when Flor was about 7 she was petting our dog and she said,
"I'm giving her some oxymoron."

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Frank C. Wimberly
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Santa Fe, NM

On Wed, Mar 4, 2020, 11:54 AM <thompnickson2 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Are emotion states hidden?  I will grant that hormonal states are
> "hidden".  But an emotion state is a tuning of the organism's behavior with
> respect to the environment, and hence "visible" to any well situated
> observer, no?
>
> Nick
>
> Nicholas Thompson
> Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology
> Clark University
> ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> On Behalf Of u?l? ?
> Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2020 8:28 AM
> To: FriAM <friam at redfish.com>
> Subject: [FRIAM] oxytocin, again
>
>
> Once again the ingroup hormone is in the news:
>
> 1) A neurobiological association of revenge propensity during intergroup
> conflict <https://elifesciences.org/articles/52014>
>
> The link for the paper is the download icon in the upper right.
>
> But in skimming this paper, it seems to contradict what I inferred from
> this paper:
>
> 2) Oxytocin enhances pupil dilation and sensitivity to ‘hidden’ emotional
> expressions <https://academic.oup.com/scan/article/8/7/741/1653225>
>
> Granted, I expect to infer things not implied because I really have no
> idea what I'm reading. Whatever, I'm inspired by the other thread on acid
> epistemology to talk about things that cannot be talked about and run with
> the apparent contradiction. 8^)
>
> (2) seemed to say that oxytocin is a marker for being "on the look out",
> whereas (1) seems to imply it's a marker for being "in a state of
> trust/comfort/empathy/whatever". Endocrine signaling seems (in my
> ignorance) to be coarse and ambiguous. Since the body is made up of many
> quasi-autonomous components, an ebb or flow of a signal might take on
> different "meaning" depending on the *rest* of the conditions experienced
> by any given component. E.g. pupil dilation might occur in either context,
> where one's comfortable enough to be free of "fight or flight", but "on the
> look out" for subtle expressions in their ingroup team *or* safe enough to
> be free of "fight or flight", but "on the look out" for subtle expressions
> of subterfuge or betrayal in business negotiations (or whatever).
>
> I suppose a possible resolution of the contradiction might lie in the
> whole fast vs. slow thinking metaphor. If there are (at least) two
> conditions where one needs to be "on the look out", one fully engaged in
> fight or flight ... eyes darting around looking for the snake, pupils
> dilated ... or fully comfy on your couch listening to Enya ... pupils
> dilated hunting for the hidden emotional states of your dog.
>
> --
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