[FRIAM] Pragmaticism and puritanism

[thompnickson2 at gmail.com]

Hi Dave, 

Well, at the very least, the kind of information that would convince me to take a somewhat dodgy drug to fend off covid19.  

N

Nicholas Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology
Clark University
ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com
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-----Original Message-----
From: Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> On Behalf Of Prof David West
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2020 9:05 AM
To: friam at redfish.com
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Pragmaticism and puritanism

May I add — what would convince you that psychedelic experiences are worth of the same kind of investigation as "ordinary" experiences.

davew


On Wed, Mar 11, 2020, at 3:18 PM, uǝlƃ ☣ wrote:
> Well, I definitely privilege scientific ways of knowing more than any 
> other way of knowing [†]. So I don't disagree with what you *say*. But 
> it seems to me that *you* don't privilege scientific knowledge in 
> these discussions. You talk a LOT about philosophy and metaphysics, 
> but not much about scientific results. The recent 'round and 'round 
> about "sledgehammers", Peirce's metaphysics, or whatnot, largely 
> ignoring any attempts to discuss psychedelic research and medicine, 
> seems to imply that you do not privilege science.
> 
> So, maybe if I pull out the old saw again?  If results published in 
> peer-reviewed literature and clinical trial data will NOT convince you 
> that psychedelics can be used as medicine, then what WOULD convince 
> you? If nothing will ever convince you, then you certainly do NOT 
> privilege science.
> 
> 
> [†] It ain't perfect; and it ain't the only kind of knowledge. But 
> it's the best we have.
> 
> On 3/10/20 11:03 AM, thompnickson2 at gmail.com wrote:
> > No, I am not sure that Dave and Glen would disagree with any of this.
> 
> --
> ☣ uǝlƃ
> 
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