[FRIAM] ill-conceived question

[Steven A Smith]

On 5/2/20 8:39 PM, Prof David West wrote:
> Genghis spread his genes via wives and concubines, not rapine. He also
> installed daughters and wives as regional governors instead of sons.
> Interesting historical figure.

So Genghis stayed back home and procreated while he sent the boys out
into the field?  And nobody got anyone pregnant while on the road?   Or
just Hooker's Legionaires?   

Hmmm.... curious.



>
> davew
>
>
> On Sat, May 2, 2020, at 8:00 PM, Steven A Smith wrote:
>>
>> Dave -
>>
>>> I once taught an honors course, with Father Smith at St. Thomas on
>>> the Anthropology and Theology of War. One of the prime forces behind
>>> war — since prehistory — had been nothing more than birth control.
>>
>> Do you meant literally *birth* and *control*, or rather *population*
>> and *reduction*?
>>
>> The more literal usage works well too.  Controlling Births.  I think
>> much warfare culminates (or did before modernish times) in the
>> victors killing the men and raping/impregnating and enslaving the
>> women either in-place, inhabiting the conquered lands or taking them
>> back to their homeland.  Children alternatively would have been
>> killed or enslaved.   Thus the genetic heritage of Genghis Khan...
>>
>> One step more sophisticated than the rats?
>>
>> I don't think we have to go there, no matter how much the gun
>> hoarders want their chance at being unequivocally "on top" at least
>> for one round of the grande iterated prisoner's dilemma that is human
>> civilization.
>>
>> - Steve
>>
>>>> Well, in a sense that’s correct.  But their method of “birth
>>>> control”
>>>> <https://www.researchgate.net/publication/238356686_A_Utopian_perspective_on_ecology_and_development>
>>>> is not one that I am prepared to take as a model.  Just imagine the
>>>> worst sort of dystopian post apocalyptic novel.  See the
>>>> description of the Calhoun experiment on p 224.
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>> Nick
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>> Nicholas Thompson
>>>>
>>>> Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology
>>>>
>>>> Clark University
>>>>
>>>> ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com <mailto:ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com>
>>>>
>>>> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/
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>>>> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] ill-conceived question
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>>>>
>>>> < You recall that I invoked as a model that experiment in which 24
>>>> rats were put in a quarter acre enclosure in Baltimore and fed and
>>>> watered and protected to see how the population would develop. 
>>>> They never got above two hundred.  >
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>> Maybe the rats were right?
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> Marcus
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