[FRIAM] ill-conceived question

Mon May 4 19:55:51 EDT 2020

Dave and Ed

Thanks for making me aware of the options. My plan is to stay in my present
house until the end.  This should be possible if I don't have a contagious
final illness.

Frank
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Frank C. Wimberly
140 Calle Ojo Feliz,
Santa Fe, NM 87505

505 670-9918
Santa Fe, NM

On Mon, May 4, 2020, 10:26 AM Edward Angel <angel at cs.unm.edu> wrote:

> Most elder facilities do not require the huge buy in. In NM there are a
> large number of smaller facilities that can house up to ten people and are
> much less expensive. There are also larger ones that are pretty good that
> don’t have a buy in and charge less than 6K/month although are still out of
> reach for most New Mexicans.
>
> The largest outbreak in ABQ is at La Vida Llena which has the big buy in
> and high monthly charge. It is generally regarded as the best facility in
> ABQ. It is run as a nonprofit by some the large mainstream churches. I have
> three friends there. The outbreak there that affected over 50 residents and
> staff was in the skilled nursing part of the facility and thus far has not
> affected independent living residents like my friends who are however under
> a pretty strict quarantine. I think the main point here is that wherever
> people put together in a small space there is grave danger.
>
> Ed
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>
> Ed Angel
>
> Founding Director, Art, Research, Technology and Science Laboratory
> (ARTS Lab)
> Professor Emeritus of Computer Science, University of New Mexico
>
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>
> On May 4, 2020, at 8:25 AM, Prof David West <profwest at fastmail.fm> wrote:
>
> Frank,
>
> When looking for a facility for my mother, I found a lot of the 200K / 6K
> per month facilities, but more than 3/4 of the facilities that exist are
> subsidized and they simply take between 40 and 80% of the patient's social
> security and retirement income.
>
> I am pretty certain that the ones with intense outbreaks were the latter
> type.
>
> When all the shouting is over and all the data is available, I would bet a
> significant amount of money that the single largest comorbidity factor will
> be poverty / lower economic status.
>
> davew
>
> On Mon, May 4, 2020, at 6:12 AM, Frank Wimberly wrote:
>
> Dave
>
> Maybe I lack adequate knowledge of the variety of care centers but the
> ones I know charge something like $200,000 admission and $6000 per month.
> Maybe you mean "somewhat poor OR already warehoused..."
>
> Frank
>
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> Frank C. Wimberly
> 140 Calle Ojo Feliz,
> Santa Fe, NM 87505
>
> 505 670-9918
> Santa Fe, NM
>
> On Mon, May 4, 2020, 5:31 AM Prof David West <profwest at fastmail.fm> wrote:
>
>
> The lesson might be if you are willing to lose the old people who are
> somewhat poor and already warehoused in overcrowded care facilities you
> don't have to lock down.
>
>
>
> On Sun, May 3, 2020, at 11:24 AM, Frank Wimberly wrote:
>
> Sounds like the lesson is that if you're willing to lose old people you
> don't have to lock down.  As an old person I have my doubts about that
> approach.  In the last three days one of my highschool classmates died of
> covid related causes and a first cousin died of a heart attack with no
> known covid involvement.
>
> ---
> Frank C. Wimberly
> 140 Calle Ojo Feliz,
> Santa Fe, NM 87505
>
> 505 670-9918
> Santa Fe, NM
>
> On Sun, May 3, 2020, 10:55 AM Merle Lefkoff <merlelefkoff at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Nick, the only mainstream news program I watch is Fareed Zakaria on Sunday
> morning.  Below is part of this morning's report.  Not surprisingly (for
> those of us who have had the privilege recently of spending time in
> Sweden), the answer to how it's working, is just about like the countries
> that are locked down, with one exception.  More deaths (mostly among the
> elderly who primarily live together in retirement).
>
> As world governments employ different policies to fight Covid-19, Sweden’s
> relaxed approach stands out: Eschewing lockdowns, the country has left its
> schools, gyms, cafes, bars and restaurants open throughout the spread of
> the pandemic. Fareed interviews the man behind that strategy, *Anders
> Tegnell*, the Swedish government’s top epidemiologist, about how it’s
> working and whether his country can offer any lessons to the rest of the
> world.
>
> On Sat, May 2, 2020 at 10:34 AM <thompnickson2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Colleagues,
>
>
>
> I have asked this question before and nobody has responded (for clear and
> good reasons, no doubt) but I thought I would ask it again.  What exactly
> is this economy we are bent on reviving?  What exactly is the difference in
> human activity between our present state and a revived economy.  We can go
> to bars and concerts and football games?  Is that the economy we are
> reviving?  It seems to me that the difference between a “healty” economy
> and our present status consists possibly in nothing more than a lot of
> people frantically rushing about doing things they don’t really need to do?
>
>
>
>
> You recall that I invoked as a model that experiment in which 24 rats were
> put in a quarter acre enclosure in Baltimore and fed and watered and
> protected to see how the population would develop.  They never got above
> two hundred.  Infant mortality, etc., was appalling.  Carnage.  In the same
> space, a competent lab breeding organization could have kept a population
> of tens of thousands.
>
>
>
> Don’t yell at me.  What fundamental proposition about economics do I not
> understand?
>
>
>
> Nick
>
>
>
> Nicholas Thompson
>
> Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology
>
> Clark University
>
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