[FRIAM] Warring Darwinians for Glen, Steve

[thompnickson2 at gmail.com]

Glen, 

 

Whether you like it or not, you are yourself a master of world play, so I assume you don't mean word "games" pejoratively.  But that is a different conversation.  You wrote:

 

. ..If EricC's principle is taken seriously, the inner world of a black box device will be *completely* represented on its surface

 

Given your second comment, I now interpret this as follows: 

 

Eric believes that everything that is going on in a black box is evident from outside the box. 

 

That, you rightly perceive, I disagree with.  In fact, the whole idea of a black box is that you don’t know and can only surmise what is going on within it.  If you could “see” within the box, it wouldn’t be black.  If I owned a “golden goose”, I might surmise all sorts of internal arrangements by which the goose took in food and produced gold, but I would never kill the goose for the gold “inside”.  That’s to confuse a behavior of an entity with the internal processes that mediate that behavior.  And I really DO mean “internal” here.  

 

Nicholas Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology

Clark University

ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com

https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/

 

 

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More word games. OK. s/world/context/g. Is that better?

 

On 5/5/20 12:43 PM,  <mailto:thompnickson2 at gmail.com> thompnickson2 at gmail.com wrote:

> Oh.  Isn't my 'world' that which surrounds me?  Your world, that which surrounds you?  Etc.  So for me to have an "inner world" I not only have to climb inside me I have to climb inside that world inside me.  This is either an EXTREMELY complicated elaboration of the metaphor OR contradictory. No?

 

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