[FRIAM] PSC Tornado Visualization (2008) [720p] - YouTube

[Marcus Daniels]

I’m not sure why you are telling me this, as I was the one that bothered to look it up.   :-)

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Date: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 at 9:02 PM
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Subject: Re: [FRIAM] PSC Tornado Visualization (2008) [720p] - YouTube

I understand your point but the fact remains that that visualization was based on a numerical model that was, in turn, based on first principles.  I can confirm that with Greg Foss but I'm pretty sure it's true.

Both and is better than either or.  Another aphorism: whatever works.

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On Wed, May 13, 2020, 9:53 PM Marcus Daniels <marcus at snoutfarm.com<mailto:marcus at snoutfarm.com>> wrote:
Experiment with a modern implementation of generative adversarial networks for a while and I think you’ll begin to feel less smug about the superiority of first principles – sort of like a craft of Colonial Williamsburg.    Computer, just get me the equations and spare the drama.

From: Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com<mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com>> on behalf of "thompnickson2 at gmail.com<mailto:thompnickson2 at gmail.com>" <thompnickson2 at gmail.com<mailto:thompnickson2 at gmail.com>>
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Date: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 at 8:40 PM
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Subject: Re: [FRIAM] PSC Tornado Visualization (2008) [720p] - YouTube

Old Philosophical Joke:

Deep in a remote valley lived a tribe that had never been in contact with the modern world … except for one monastery which corresponded with Greenwich village to get the sunrise tables.  The monks would get up 15 minutes early and sound a bell, which the villagers believed was the cause of the sun rising.  It was said, “The monks awakened the sun from his slumbers.”  Because of this belief, offerings of every kind were left by the village on the steps of the monastery, and the monks grew fat and happy.

In the course of the annual correspondence to get the new sunrise tables from Greenwich, one of the British scientists questioned the morality of the scam the monks were running.  The monks responded, “As long as they get their sunrise on time, who cares?”

I care.

Another old Philosophical Joke:

A man who claimed to be able to fly, announced on his facebook page that he was going to demonstrate his skill by jumping off the top balcony of a residential tower.  Psychologists were stationed at each balcony below with stop watches and clipboards to document his behavior during his “flight”.   As he went by each successive balcony he was heard to say, “So far, so good.”

His widow cared.

Your query, Marcus, highlights the difference between philosophical pragmatism and the vernacular kind.

Nick

Nicholas Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology
Clark University
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From: Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com<mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com>> On Behalf Of Marcus Daniels
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Subject: Re: [FRIAM] PSC Tornado Visualization (2008) [720p] - YouTube

Nick writes:

“The result looks so much like iconic tornado vids that we wannabee tornado chasers idolize that one suspects that the video was back constructed from that film, rather than developing organically from the physics.”

Suppose the equations were extracted, or the behavior re-generated, from a deep neural net (or whatever automated machine learning thing), but nonetheless were predictive of other tornados.    One might reasonably ask, “Who cares?”

Marcus
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