[FRIAM] intension/extension

[Frank Wimberly]

I may be completely misunderstanding but is intention what the actor
intends while intension us what his action entails?  The two may coincide
or overlap sometimes?

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On Sat, May 16, 2020, 12:09 PM <thompnickson2 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Jon,
>
>
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> In my world, intenSionality arises within the frame of intenTional
>  utterances (or actions?) in which a state of affairs is framed within an a
> verb of explicit or implied mentation.  Or perhaps, when an action is
> directed toward a goal.  The hall mark of such intenTional utterances (or
> actions?) is implicative opacity:  From absolute certainty that A believes
> proposition [X] one can infer nothing about the truth of X or even the
> existence of any of the  objects that proposition [X] concerns.  Another
> way of putting this is that statements involving verbs of mentation are
> assertions about the organization of the behavior of actors, and say
> nothing about the world beyond that.
>
>
>
> What we were trying to do at the end of our conversation on Friday was
> construct some sort of a mapping from this understanding of the
> intention/extension distinction, rooted in ethology, and perhaps a bit of
> philosophy, to yours, rooted in programing, and perhaps also in another bit
> of philosophy.  And I thought we had a moment of sparking between those two
> worlds when you pointed out that some HUGE present of programming work
> consists in debugging, which I would consider to be removing from all the
> possible entailments of a statement (it’s EXtension) all those that are not
> within the INtention of the programmer.
>
>
>
> So, when you write a line of code such as “*1. Make me a ham sandwich”, *you
> intend the robot to assemble cheese and bread into something  you can eat,
> NOT to transform you into something edible.  And when the robot goes to the
> cupboard and gets out the butchering knives and smoking and salting tools,
> you realize that you need to debug the code.
>
>
>
> This is what I think you programmers ought to mean by the
> intension/extension distinction.
>
>
>
> What (again – forgive me – in citizen language) do you actually mean.
>
>
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> What is (to you) the intension of that distinction?
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>
>
> NIck
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>
> Nicholas Thompson
>
> Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology
>
> Clark University
>
> ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com
>
> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/
>
>
>
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> *From:* Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> *On Behalf Of *Jon Zingale
> *Sent:* Saturday, May 16, 2020 11:05 AM
> *To:* friam at redfish.com
> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] intension/extension
>
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>
> Nick,
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>
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> The *tension* in the discussion was mostly between
>
> two subtly different words: Intentionality
> <https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/intentionality/> as found
>
> in the work of Bretano and intensionality
> <https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/logic-intensional/> as found
>
> in the work of Church. While Church did invent
>
> the lambda calculus, the precursor to functional
>
> languages, he himself was a logician.
>
>
>
> Jon
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