[FRIAM] Covid and Politics

[cody dooderson]

Every so often I will read about a treatment that is showing promise, or a
vaccine that works in ostriches or something. Sorry I don't have any of the
links bookmarked. With all of the smart people working on treatments, is it
possible that social distancing bought us enough time so that we will not
need the 'white van' approach in September?

Cody Smith


On Tue, May 26, 2020 at 2:27 PM <thompnickson2 at gmail.com> wrote:

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> So what is “benignitivity”?
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> Nicholas Thompson
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> *From:* Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> *On Behalf Of *Frank Wimberly
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2020 2:26 PM
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> Benignness.  Benignity means kindness or tolerance toward others.  See how
> annoying we language obsessives are.
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> On Tue, May 26, 2020, 2:11 PM <thompnickson2 at gmail.com> wrote:
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> Yes.  The virus will evolve toward benignity, but only IF the transmission
> rate is slowed.  If allowed full freedom, the virus will first evolve
> toward virility (high mortality rate) and then, as herd immunity is
> achieved, become mild and endemic.  Think of the competition within each
> host between the different strains.  The benign strain is making fewer
> copies of itself, but has a greater chance of being passed between hosts;
> the virulent strain is making more copies, but in that effort, is killing
> off it’s hosts quicker.  It’s a trait group selection problem.  Under high
> transmissibility, the virulent strain wins; under low transmissibility, the
> benign strain wins.
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> I hope I got that right.
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> Clark University
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> *From:* Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> *On Behalf Of *Prof David West
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2020 1:57 PM
> *To:* friam at redfish.com
> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Covid and Politics
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> Does not Ewald suggest that a virus might evolve to be more benign
> vis-a-vis its hosts so as to maximize the number of potential hosts, i.e.
> avoid killing them off and reducing their will and actions in resistance?
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> Probably totally misread him as that is not at all my field of interest.
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> On Tue, May 26, 2020, at 1:49 PM, thompnickson2 at gmail.com wrote:
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> It gets even MORE interesting if we consider the variable environment to
> which the virus is optimizing.  According to Ewald’s theory
> <https://www.amazon.com/s?k=evolution+of+infectious+disease+by+paul+ewald&i=stripbooks&crid=2M9WVN279ILHB&sprefix=Paul+Ewald+evolu%2Cstripbooks%2C271&ref=nb_sb_ss_i_1_16>,
> the virulence of the virus evolves in relation to its Ro, so a more
> transmissible virus will become more virulent, etc and vv.
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> *From:* Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> *On Behalf Of *Marcus Daniels
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> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2020 1:36 PM
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> Dave writes:
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> < 3.5 million deaths is perfectly acceptable. Mostly because that total
> will accumulate at a rate of 150-170,000 per year which puts COVID in the
> lower half of the top five causes of death in the US. >
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> It gets more interesting if SARS-Cov2 is optimizing itself.
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