[FRIAM] Optimizing for maximal serendipity or how Alan Turing misdirected ALife

[Gary Schiltz]

I am saddened as well, but not surprised. I think that the majority of
individuals of our species are content to be consumers of everything,
including information, but aren't motivated/disciplined enough to put in
the work that it requires to produce/structure good information. It's sort
of like gossip - whether we want to admit it or not, the vast majority of
the population at large likes to hear crap about others, and are happy to
repeat it if they perceive that it increases their social standing within
their group.

On Thu, May 28, 2020 at 2:38 PM Steve Smith <sasmyth at swcp.com> wrote:

> I am saddened that we don't have a crowd-sourced, convergent/coherent
> social media platform to compete with/replace the FB/Twattosphere.
> There are probably very good reasons.
>
> I am a regular Wikipedia *user* but it has been years and years since I
> dug deeper than the article I find on a search term.   I used to find
> articles I found significantly deficient or misleading and was at least
> tempted enough to participate in correcting them to go look at the
> discussion page and the history of how the article got to be the way it
> was.   A few times I even tried to participate in the commentary and
> edit the text.  I discovered abruptly that others involved were MUCH
> more committed to shaping the entry than I ever would be, and I learned
> to "read around" the (slowly diminishing?) bad/weak entries, and look
> elsewhere for generic reference information.
>
> Outside of Wikipedia I haven't seen the original wiki concept to be
> nearly as effective at achieving coherence/congruence.   What would a
> FriAM wiki look like?   I'm betting it would be almost indistinguishable
> from doing a wordnet screen on our archives, entering all the
> non-standard terms it found as Wiki articles and then flooding the
> discussion section with our entire thread.
>
> I'm disappointed with Friam-Comic (especially the recent posts) not
> getting more at the "essence" of FriAM, and would probably be as
> disappointed with Friam-Wiki if it existed.
>
> Glen has pointed me to RationalWiki which I find a good source of a
> certain kind of skeptical reference to some controversial topics.  It
> took me a while to identify and calibrate for *it's* biases, but I now
> find it a useful resource.
>
>
>
> > I would say that companies like Twitter should massively annotate
> serious offenders and cancel accounts as needed.    It doesn't have to come
> from top, but it isn't going to come from the bottom.   There should be
> processes to keep conspicuous liars from ever gaining visibility.   They
> don't have to involve black vans, as satisfying as that might be.   But
> maybe advanced natural language processing codes that escalate issues to
> editors.
> >
> > On 5/28/20, 9:15 AM, "Friam on behalf of uǝlƃ ☣" <
> friam-bounces at redfish.com on behalf of gepropella at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >     The additional power is to mislead someone into thinking an
> expression is about one thing, when it's really about another thing. I.e.
> in this context, it's a way to troll and "riff" off some arbitrary string
> you found in some other post. In some contexts, however, it's more serious.
> Conspiracy theories use metaphor liberally in order to *trick* suckers into
> thinking something that's simply not true.
> >
> >     On 5/28/20 9:08 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
> >     > It seems to me like the value of metaphors fits into a sparse
> dictionary learning approach.   If you want to compress a picture of, say,
> the new Apple headquarters, it helps if one has seen a circle or a torus in
> some form, and can just refer to that.   It would also help to have seen
> pictures of trees and shrubs to tweak, and to have seen solar panels.
>  Some features will be unique, and simple atoms are needed to refine the
> image.  I'm skeptical that metaphor is the best enduring representation
> though.   After one has seen many circles and ovals (or conic sections), a
> parameterized (even dependent) type becomes evident.
> >
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