[FRIAM] Metaphor [POSSIBLE DISTRACTON FROM]: privacy games

Sat May 30 11:53:27 EDT 2020

Nick,

I was a math major at Berkeley and had no contact with the Psychology
Department.  Consulting my carefully preserved Catalog from that era I see
he was a full professor of Psychology.

Frank
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Frank C. Wimberly
140 Calle Ojo Feliz,
Santa Fe, NM 87505

505 670-9918
Santa Fe, NM

On Sat, May 30, 2020, 9:34 AM <thompnickson2 at gmail.com> wrote:

> I think you were at Berkeley when he was Chairman of the Department.
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> Nicholas Thompson
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> Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology
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> Clark University
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> ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com
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> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/
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> *From:* Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> *On Behalf Of *Frank Wimberly
> *Sent:* Saturday, May 30, 2020 9:30 AM
> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <
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> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Metaphor [POSSIBLE DISTRACTON FROM]: privacy games
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> I did not know David Kresh.  Did he say that?  Very similar to what I said.
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> Frank C. Wimberly
> 140 Calle Ojo Feliz,
> Santa Fe, NM 87505
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> 505 670-9918
> Santa Fe, NM
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> On Sat, May 30, 2020, 9:27 AM <thompnickson2 at gmail.com> wrote:
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> Frank,
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> You also  KNEW David Krech, right?
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> If I say that {(0, 0), (1,0), (0,1)} is a right triangle, then that’s what
> a right triangle is (for my research) and there is nothing more to say
> about it.
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> You have been spending too much time with mathematicians.  Oh.  Wait a
> minute.  YOU ARE ONE!  How could you not S spend lots of time with one?
> Even on my account, you have privileged access to the mind of a
> mathematician.
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> Doesn’t every mathematical proof begin with
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> Let X = [AFTISII]
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> From which it follows that:
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> X = [AFTISII]
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> At which point, Hywel says calmly, “Math is ok, but sometimes you need to
> know what you are talking about”.
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> Where is Hywel when we need him.   DARN!
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> Nick
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> Nicholas Thompson
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> Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology
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> Clark University
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> ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com
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> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/
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> *From:* Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> *On Behalf Of *Frank Wimberly
> *Sent:* Saturday, May 30, 2020 8:59 AM
> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <
> friam at redfish.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Metaphor [POSSIBLE DISTRACTON FROM]: privacy games
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> Excellent, Jon.
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> On that basis, in answer to Nick's claim that I have never seen a right
> triangle, here's a classic one
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> {(0, 0), (1,0), (0,1)}
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> and here's a manifold
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> {(x,y,z) in R^3: x*x+y*y+z*z = 1} where the open sets are the open sets of
> S^2.
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> Note these are not physical objects.
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> Frank C. Wimberly
> 140 Calle Ojo Feliz,
> Santa Fe, NM 87505
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> 505 670-9918
> Santa Fe, NM
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> On Fri, May 29, 2020, 11:17 AM Jon Zingale <jonzingale at gmail.com> wrote:
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> Frank, Steve,
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> My favored approach is to say that *space is like a manifold*.
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> For me, space is a *thing* and a manifold is an *object*. The former
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> I can experience free from my models of it, I can continue to
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> learn facts(?) about space not derived by deduction alone
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> (consider Nick's posts on inductive and abductive reasoning).
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> I concede here that we talk about an objectified space, but
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> I am not intending to. I am using the term space as a place-
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> holder for the thing I am physically moving about in. OTOH
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> manifolds are fully *objectified*, they exist by virtue of their
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> formality. Any meaningful question *about a manifold* itself
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> is derived deductively from its construction. Neither in their
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> own right are metaphors, the metaphor is created when we
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> treat space *as if it were* a manifold. Just my two cents.
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> At the beginning of MacLane's *Geometrical Mechanics,* (a book
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> I have held many times, but never found an inexpensive copy
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> to buy) MacLane opens his lecture's with '*The slogan is: Kinetic*
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> *energy is a Riemann metric on configuration space*'. What a baller.
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> Glen,
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> I love that you mention the <placeholder>, ultimately reducing
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> the argument to a *snowclone*. Because the title of the thread
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> actually implicates a discussion of metaphor, and because I may
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> have missed your point about *xyz,* please allow me this question.
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> Do you feel that *snowclones* are necessarily templates for making
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> metaphors, or do you feel that a snowclone is somehow different?
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> Jon
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