[FRIAM] Biden beats Trump

Sun Nov 8 14:59:03 EST 2020

Maybe they're "invincible ignorants" as the Catholic Church used to call
Protestants.  They didn't deny that they were Christians, as far as I know.

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Frank C. Wimberly
140 Calle Ojo Feliz,
Santa Fe, NM 87505

505 670-9918
Santa Fe, NM

On Sun, Nov 8, 2020, 12:51 PM <thompnickson2 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Frank,
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> How do we undo the problem by unfriending people?  I just don’t see it.
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> Merle, can you take us to a Northern Ireland Castle with some right
> wingers and heal the rift?
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> Nick
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> Nicholas Thompson
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> Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology
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> Clark University
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> ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com
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> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/
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> *From:* Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> *On Behalf Of *Frank Wimberly
> *Sent:* Sunday, November 8, 2020 1:37 PM
> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <
> friam at redfish.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Biden beats Trump
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> Nick,
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> An experience:
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> There was a pretty girl that I had crush on in highschool.  Margie was
> hyper conscientious and had a perfect GPA.  We went to numerous formal
> dances and had friends in common but our "relationship" was entirely
> superficial in my opinion.  I eventually realized that she was very similar
> to my sisters whom I found kind of annoying. So, she was familiar but not
> much else.
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> We stayed in touch over the years.  She became an RN and had two manly
> sons--a police officer and an airline pilot.  A few months ago I became
> aware that she was a Trump supporter.  About a month ago I referred to him
> as incompetent and dishonest in a message to her.  She unfriended me on
> Facebook and didn't otherwise respond.  When my granddaughter was born on
> Monday I sent her a photo of the baby and said that she probably wasn't
> aware of the news because of the unfriending.  She said, "You know why I
> did that don't you?"  I said, "Because I criticized Trump?"  She said that
> it was because I put a thumbs up on the announcement of his Covid-19
> diagnosis.  Now, I did not do that and I told her that.
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> For me, this was the most real interaction we had in the 60+ years we've
> known each other.  If we have no further contact it's fine with me.
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> Frank
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> ---
> Frank C. Wimberly
> 140 Calle Ojo Feliz,
> Santa Fe, NM 87505
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> 505 670-9918
> Santa Fe, NM
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> On Sun, Nov 8, 2020, 11:32 AM Marcus Daniels <marcus at snoutfarm.com> wrote:
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> Nick writes:
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> < That desire not to lose contact with my “enemy” is constitutional with
> me.  Your imperative is like telling me not to breath.  Somebody said, ‘A
> value is a principle that one is helpless to disobey.’ Anything  else is
> just moral positioning. >
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> What is an example of nuance in a Trumper's "argument" where you have been
> enriched intellectually, or where you gained insight into their tactics or
> strategy that you otherwise would have not gained?
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> When would it finally cross the line for you?    Does it ever cross the
> line?
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> Marcus
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> *From:* Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> on behalf of
> thompnickson2 at gmail.com <thompnickson2 at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Sunday, November 8, 2020 11:14 AM
> *To:* 'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group' <
> friam at redfish.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Biden beats Trump
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> Marcus,
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> That desire not to lose contact with my “enemy” is constitutional with
> me.  You imperative is like telling me not to breath.  Somebody said, ‘A
> value is a principle that one is helpless to disobey.’ Anything  else is
> just moral positioning.
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> Now mind you, I am all in for Ossoff.  (All On for Oss-OFF?) And Warnock.
> I find the name Warnock so intriguing I would probably favor him even if he
> were a republican.
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> Where are you sending YOUR money?
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> Nick
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> Nicholas Thompson
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> Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology
>
> Clark University
>
> ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com
>
> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/
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> *From:* Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> *On Behalf Of *Marcus Daniels
> *Sent:* Sunday, November 8, 2020 11:33 AM
> *To:* 'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group' <
> friam at redfish.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Biden beats Trump
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> < According to my benighted Deweyan, Liberal, Bleeding-Heart ethos, this
> fact implies a duty to reach  out to these folks and try to find some
> common ground  on which to stand and from which to work. But I have no idea
> where to start. >
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> Just don't.  Waste of time.  Let's keep our eyes on the ball.  Now is the
> time focus on taking the Ossoff seat.   I do hope Ms. Harris is (or can
> become) the monster Trump claims, and takes on the role of Cheney for the
> Dems.
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> Marcus
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> *From:* Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> on behalf of
> thompnickson2 at gmail.com <thompnickson2 at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Sunday, November 8, 2020 10:13 AM
> *To:* 'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group' <
> friam at redfish.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Biden beats Trump
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> Jochen,
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> After my original bout of hysteria, I have been pretty sure that Biden was
> going to win this narrowly.  But this outcome hasn’t improved my mood.
> Hysteria still lurks, because 70 million Americans, more than any that have
> voted for any other presidential candidate except Biden, have endorsed the
> Presidency of  Donald Trump.  That this fact should be beyond my
> comprehension shows me – as Dave West has been pointing out – the weakness
> of my model of the people I am living among.   Imagine how you would feel
> if 49 percent of the German electorate have voted for a neo-Nazi or 49
> percent of the French had voted for Le Pen.
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>               According to my benighted Deweyan, Liberal, Bleeding-Heart
> ethos, this fact implies a duty to reach  out to these folks and try to
> find some common ground  on which to stand and from which to work. But I
> have no idea where to start.
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> But thanks for your good wishes.  Lord knows we will need them.
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> Nick
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> Nicholas Thompson
>
> Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology
>
> Clark University
>
> ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com
>
> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/
>
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> *From:* Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> *On Behalf Of *Jochen Fromm
> *Sent:* Sunday, November 8, 2020 4:19 AM
> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <
> Friam at redfish.com>
> *Subject:* [FRIAM] Biden beats Trump
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> America has been able to accomplish what Europe has not been able to do
> before WW II: stop fascism (in form of an authoritarian dictatorship)
> before it was able to take root in the system. Congratulations! It feels
> good that the old America is back. People are celebrating in the streets in
> NY and DC while team Trump is holding one of the last press conferences at
> the Four Seasons Total Landscaping (!) center in Philadelphia. It is hard
> to say what is bigger: the malice or the incompetence of team Trump. It is
> such a relief that we no longer have to hear each day about Trump.
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> https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/11/four-seasons-total-landscaping-trump-team-news-conference.html
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> -J.
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