[FRIAM] Biden beats Trump

Sun Nov 8 16:12:03 EST 2020

Glad to hear that data!

By the way, who IS this Weinstein guy and why do trains keep running over
him?

Nick

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Nick writes:

< Still, Trumpers' fear of the far left is something that has given me a
"huh" moment, particularly when endorsed by Weinstein and our own Dave West.
Glen, living in the NW, might have insight on that.  > 

Donald Jr. remarked yesterday that the 70 million who voted for Trump hadn't
burned down any cities.   As if there were any comparison between being on
the losing side of this election and having the economy stacked against a
class of people for centuries.  And curiously rounding up from a bit of
looting here and there to burning down a city!    I'm from Portland myself,
and I'm told that it was a nothingburger in terms of impact on daily life in
the city.

The Trumpers are just afraid of the "far left" because they know they have
it coming.

Marcus

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Marcus,

I have been mulling your question.  First, a person is the worst judge of
his own values.  I don't make any claim to my own values, only announce a
partisan observation subject to contradiction.  I yield to you better
judgement of my values.

Still, Trumpers' fear of the far left is something that has given me a "huh"
moment, particularly when endorsed by Weinstein and our own Dave West.
Glen, living in the NW, might have insight on that.  

But, somehow, "enriched intellectually" misses the point. It's not what that
person can do for me, it's what we might accomplish together.  

Nick  

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Clark University

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Nick writes:

< That desire not to lose contact with my "enemy" is constitutional with me.
Your imperative is like telling me not to breath.  Somebody said, 'A value
is a principle that one is helpless to disobey.' Anything  else is just
moral positioning. >

What is an example of nuance in a Trumper's "argument" where you have been
enriched intellectually, or where you gained insight into their tactics or
strategy that you otherwise would have not gained?

When would it finally cross the line for you?    Does it ever cross the
line? 

Marcus

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Marcus,  

That desire not to lose contact with my "enemy" is constitutional with me.
You imperative is like telling me not to breath.  Somebody said, 'A value is
a principle that one is helpless to disobey.' Anything  else is just moral
positioning.  

Now mind you, I am all in for Ossoff.  (All On for Oss-OFF?) And Warnock.  I
find the name Warnock so intriguing I would probably favor him even if he
were a republican.  

Where are you sending YOUR money?

Nick 

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Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology

Clark University

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< According to my benighted Deweyan, Liberal, Bleeding-Heart ethos, this
fact implies a duty to reach  out to these folks and try to find some common
ground  on which to stand and from which to work. But I have no idea where
to start. >

Just don't.  Waste of time.  Let's keep our eyes on the ball.  Now is the
time focus on taking the Ossoff seat.   I do hope Ms. Harris is (or can
become) the monster Trump claims, and takes on the role of Cheney for the
Dems.

Marcus

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Jochen, 

After my original bout of hysteria, I have been pretty sure that Biden was
going to win this narrowly.  But this outcome hasn't improved my mood.
Hysteria still lurks, because 70 million Americans, more than any that have
voted for any other presidential candidate except Biden, have endorsed the
Presidency of  Donald Trump.  That this fact should be beyond my
comprehension shows me - as Dave West has been pointing out - the weakness
of my model of the people I am living among.   Imagine how you would feel if
49 percent of the German electorate have voted for a neo-Nazi or 49 percent
of the French had voted for Le Pen. 

              According to my benighted Deweyan, Liberal, Bleeding-Heart
ethos, this fact implies a duty to reach  out to these folks and try to find
some common ground  on which to stand and from which to work. But I have no
idea where to start. 

But thanks for your good wishes.  Lord knows we will need them. 

Nick

Nicholas Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology

Clark University

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Subject: [FRIAM] Biden beats Trump

America has been able to accomplish what Europe has not been able to do
before WW II: stop fascism (in form of an authoritarian dictatorship) before
it was able to take root in the system. Congratulations! It feels good that
the old America is back. People are celebrating in the streets in NY and DC
while team Trump is holding one of the last press conferences at the Four
Seasons Total Landscaping (!) center in Philadelphia. It is hard to say what
is bigger: the malice or the incompetence of team Trump. It is such a relief
that we no longer have to hear each day about Trump.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/11/four-seasons-total-landscaping-t
rump-team-news-conference.html

-J.

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