[FRIAM] Biden beats Trump

[Frank Wimberly]

After you are in touch with the empathy and understand it, feel free to
reject the Trumpers and feel angry at them.

On Thu, Nov 12, 2020 at 11:42 AM <thompnickson2 at gmail.com> wrote:

> If anybody understands what Glen is saying, please explain it to me.  I
> feel he has tried hard enough.  I sympathise with his frustration, and am
> taking action.
>
> (Private Message : Sorry, Jon I lied. )
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> Nicholas Thompson
> Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology
> Clark University
> ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com
> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/
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> From: Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> On Behalf Of u?l? ???
> Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2020 12:20 PM
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> There's so much that's so wrong I can't let it go uncommented. Everything
> you say (in almost every post) seems to factor out *time*. When you say "As
> commands to the self, [anger, hate, contempt, etc.] make no sense what so
> ever", you're speaking as if the Nick of 20 years ago is the exact
> identical Nick as the present Nick, which is so wrong as to be laughable.
>
> Your ill-expressed point is that the empathy/sympathy emotions for Trump
> supporters are not under your intentional control. And you seem to be
> saying that those of us who claim we shouldn't "spare" any empathy/sympathy
> are either in denial or self-blinding or somesuch. Again, that ignores
> *time*. Sure, I feel empathy for some of them, someTIMES. But I don't for
> others of them, at other times.
>
> If you've ever extracted yourself from an abusive relationship, you should
> understand this episodic concept. If you have never had such a
> relationship, then you are the luckiest person I've ever met. The longer
> the idiocy goes on, the less empathy I feel, the fewer episodes of empathy
> I experience. The abuser only has so much time to change his ways before I
> explode and murder him in his sleep, my tears of sympathy mixing with his
> blood.
>
> Maybe the additional premise is that there is such a thing as time and
> evolution? It's weird that someone who talks about things like MOTH would
> fail to understand that, though.
>
> On 11/12/20 9:57 AM, thompnickson2 at gmail.com wrote:
> > Ok,  but, let’s look at that impulse. Is it the impulse to sympathize?
> > Why is that so scary?  Sympathy is informative, not paralyzing.  Can one
> not feel sympathy for the rabid dog just exactly at the moment one kills
> it? Somebody ran over a cat in our yard, once, crushed it’s hindquarters.
> I felt tremendous sympathy for the cat, /and so I killed it. / For sympathy
> to be paralyzing, there has to be one more premise, and I cannot identify
> that additional premise.  Anger, hate, contempt, etc., are assertions of an
> ought.  Oughts only work in the context of trying to incite others to a
> common action.  As commands to the self, they make no sense what so ever.
> So, unless you are standing in front of crowd, trying to get them to lynch
> somebody, these emotions are self-blinding.  Now, I suppose, self-blinding
> is useful, when you just don’t want to fuck with subtleties of life, but
> nothing about them can be claimed as rational.  Right?  What is the
> additional premise that turns my empathy into something I should not feel.
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