[FRIAM] Biden beats Trump

Thu Nov 12 14:02:04 EST 2020

By the way I'm really oversimplifying here.

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Frank C. Wimberly
140 Calle Ojo Feliz,
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On Thu, Nov 12, 2020, 12:00 PM Frank Wimberly <wimberly3 at gmail.com> wrote:

> If you feel angry at them while not understanding that it's because
> they're similar to you then you will feel ambivalent about your anger.  If
> they're not similar to you you probably won't feel anger
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> Frank C. Wimberly
> 140 Calle Ojo Feliz,
> Santa Fe, NM 87505
>
> 505 670-9918
> Santa Fe, NM
>
> On Thu, Nov 12, 2020, 11:55 AM <thompnickson2 at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> Frank wrote
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>> and feel angry at them
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>> But you are always *free* to feel angry at them.  The question is, “What
>> is that doing for you?  Why bother? And why do you NOT feel free to be
>> angry, any time you want?  And does “feeling free to be angry” have
>> anything to do with “being angry”?  Who knows what evil lurks in the
>> depths of the human heart?  The Shadow Knows.
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>> Nicholas Thompson
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>> Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology
>>
>> Clark University
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>> ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com
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>> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/
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>> *From:* Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> *On Behalf Of *Frank Wimberly
>> *Sent:* Thursday, November 12, 2020 12:47 PM
>> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <
>> friam at redfish.com>
>> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Biden beats Trump
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>> After you are in touch with the empathy and understand it, feel free to
>> reject the Trumpers and feel angry at them.
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>> On Thu, Nov 12, 2020 at 11:42 AM <thompnickson2 at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> If anybody understands what Glen is saying, please explain it to me.  I
>> feel he has tried hard enough.  I sympathise with his frustration, and am
>> taking action.
>>
>> (Private Message : Sorry, Jon I lied. )
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>> N
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>> Nicholas Thompson
>> Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology
>> Clark University
>> ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com
>> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> On Behalf Of u?l? ???
>> Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2020 12:20 PM
>> To: friam at redfish.com
>> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Biden beats Trump
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>> There's so much that's so wrong I can't let it go uncommented. Everything
>> you say (in almost every post) seems to factor out *time*. When you say "As
>> commands to the self, [anger, hate, contempt, etc.] make no sense what so
>> ever", you're speaking as if the Nick of 20 years ago is the exact
>> identical Nick as the present Nick, which is so wrong as to be laughable.
>>
>> Your ill-expressed point is that the empathy/sympathy emotions for Trump
>> supporters are not under your intentional control. And you seem to be
>> saying that those of us who claim we shouldn't "spare" any empathy/sympathy
>> are either in denial or self-blinding or somesuch. Again, that ignores
>> *time*. Sure, I feel empathy for some of them, someTIMES. But I don't for
>> others of them, at other times.
>>
>> If you've ever extracted yourself from an abusive relationship, you
>> should understand this episodic concept. If you have never had such a
>> relationship, then you are the luckiest person I've ever met. The longer
>> the idiocy goes on, the less empathy I feel, the fewer episodes of empathy
>> I experience. The abuser only has so much time to change his ways before I
>> explode and murder him in his sleep, my tears of sympathy mixing with his
>> blood.
>>
>> Maybe the additional premise is that there is such a thing as time and
>> evolution? It's weird that someone who talks about things like MOTH would
>> fail to understand that, though.
>>
>> On 11/12/20 9:57 AM, thompnickson2 at gmail.com wrote:
>> > Ok,  but, let’s look at that impulse. Is it the impulse to sympathize?
>> > Why is that so scary?  Sympathy is informative, not paralyzing.  Can
>> one not feel sympathy for the rabid dog just exactly at the moment one
>> kills it? Somebody ran over a cat in our yard, once, crushed it’s
>> hindquarters.  I felt tremendous sympathy for the cat, /and so I killed it.
>> / For sympathy to be paralyzing, there has to be one more premise, and I
>> cannot identify that additional premise.  Anger, hate, contempt, etc., are
>> assertions of an ought.  Oughts only work in the context of trying to
>> incite others to a common action.  As commands to the self, they make no
>> sense what so ever.  So, unless you are standing in front of crowd, trying
>> to get them to lynch somebody, these emotions are self-blinding.  Now, I
>> suppose, self-blinding is useful, when you just don’t want to fuck with
>> subtleties of life, but nothing about them can be claimed as rational.
>> Right?  What is the additional premise that turns my empathy into something
>> I should not feel.
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