[FRIAM] Political compass teest
Steve Smith
sasmyth at swcp.com
Mon Oct 12 12:17:39 EDT 2020
Carl Tollander wrote:
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> But I do think it would depend a bit on the day.
> Oddly, never thought of myself as a libertarian.
I think some pretty strong *Fascists* co-opted the term "Libertarian"
for themselves. My experience with the *L*ibertarian self-identified
is they seem to lean toward a virulent extremist willingness to *assert
their will* on others under the guise of protecting *their will from
subversion* . When I was younger (more juiced on the hormones and
rhetoric and appeal of competition?) I was more seduced by some of
that. Now it just makes me feel systemically ill.
I don't know you well Carl, but from what I do think I know, you are
clearly *very* independent and *very* considerate of others and their
personal freedoms. That sounds pretty *l*ibertarian to me FWIW.
- Steve
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> On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 8:48 AM Marcus Daniels <marcus at snoutfarm.com
> <mailto:marcus at snoutfarm.com>> wrote:
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> There is another aspect of staying behind which puts more weight
> on maintaining local (e.g. family and childhood) relationships.
> I don’t think this inclination is overtly authoritarian.
> However, a strong desire to maintain a social fabric could lead to
> policing mechanisms for them, and that brings in (say) the
> church. When a social network is more important than having any
> sort of purpose, weird things happen. Wired has an article on
> some crazies up in Forks, Washington that is worth a skim.
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> *From:* Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com
> <mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com>> *On Behalf Of *David Eric Smith
> *Sent:* Monday, October 12, 2020 7:35 AM
> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
> <friam at redfish.com <mailto:friam at redfish.com>>
> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Political compass teest
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> So this is metastasizing now, and there have been other decades
> when it wasn’t such a problem, or at least not as overt.
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> Is that due to demographic sorting? In more prosperous (or even
> just earlier) times, enough people stayed near where they were
> born that cultures got some mix of preferences, and you didn’t
> have whole regions “submitting too much to the authorities in
> their lives”. But when those who wanted out could get out, and
> did so systematically, the ones who stayed behind could create a
> tailored paradise for the preferences that had caused them to stay
> behind?
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> On Oct 12, 2020, at 10:19 AM, Roger Critchlow <rec at elf.org
> <mailto:rec at elf.org>> wrote:
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> https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/10/12/trump-voter-authoritarian-research/
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> On Sun, Oct 11, 2020 at 12:27 AM Marcus Daniels
> <marcus at snoutfarm.com <mailto:marcus at snoutfarm.com>> wrote:
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> There’s a page on the 2020 election where they claim,
> among other strange things, that Warren is a right-leaning
> authoritarian. If that is true, which I doubt, it says
> to me politicians are mirroring the electorate in a very
> obscure way. And I am pretty sure I am not far to the
> left of Bernie Sanders.
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> *From:* Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com
> <mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com>> *On Behalf Of *Stephen
> Guerin
> *Sent:* Saturday, October 10, 2020 8:39 PM
> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
> <friam at redfish.com <mailto:friam at redfish.com>>
> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Political compass teest
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> On Sat, Oct 10, 2020, 9:18 PM <thompnickson2 at gmail.com
> <mailto:thompnickson2 at gmail.com>> wrote:
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> I’m more of a libertarian than Dave is? Something
> MUST be wrong, here.
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> Nicholas Thompson
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> Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology
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> Clark University
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> ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com <mailto:ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com>
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> *From:* Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com
> <mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com>> *On Behalf Of
> *Prof David West
> *Sent:* Saturday, October 10, 2020 6:39 PM
> *To:* friam at redfish.com <mailto:friam at redfish.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Political compass teest
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> Econ left/right: -0.88
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> Social Lib/Auth: -6.1
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> davew
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> NOT a Libertarian
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> On Sat, Oct 10, 2020, at 5:56
> PM, thompnickson2 at gmail.com
> <mailto:thompnickson2 at gmail.com> wrote:
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> Do we all agree at an insanely high level? Then
> wtf have we been arguing about all these years.
> Let’s wait until Glen and Dave take the test
> before we bury all our hatchets.
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> Nicholas Thompson
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> ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com
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> *From:* Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com
> <mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com>> *On Behalf Of
> *Gary Schiltz
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> *Sent:* Saturday, October 10, 2020 5:29 PM
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> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee
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> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Political compass teest
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> I was pretty much dead center in the lower left
> quadrant, which was surprising to me. I would have
> thought I would be in the middle of the whole graph.
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> On Sat, Oct 10, 2020 at 4:52 PM George Duncan
> <gtduncan at gmail.com <mailto:gtduncan at gmail.com>>
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> Jon, I took it. I'm barely left on economics
> and strongly libertarian on social issues
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> George Duncan
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> On Sat, Oct 10, 2020 at 3:22 PM jon zingale
> <jonzingale at gmail.com
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> I just took the political compass test and
> surprise surprise, I am a
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> left-libertarian.
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