[FRIAM] water, again (was murder offsets)

Pieter Steenekamp pieters at randcontrols.co.za
Mon Apr 19 12:09:54 EDT 2021


Capitalists plan to make huge profits by recycling.
https://www.redwoodmaterials.com/


On Mon, 19 Apr 2021 at 17:49, Marcus Daniels <marcus at snoutfarm.com> wrote:

> Corporations are collective intelligences -- people -- but they need
> someone to sell to.   No point in owning all the air or water unless you
> have millions of people desperate to pay for it!   But that said, horizons
> of five years are a long time for most companies.   CEOs incentivized to
> extract every bit out of those short horizons to please their
> shareholders.   And the shareholders are too selfish to achieve something
> like Elysium or even large private water desalination plants.    Even if
> there is a small evil population that kills off the rest, I don't see how
> capitalism is going to lead to that.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> On Behalf Of u?l? ???
> Sent: Monday, April 19, 2021 8:11 AM
> To: friam at redfish.com
> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] water, again (was murder offsets)
>
> I should have linked this:
>
>
> https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/30/podcasts/ezra-klein-podcast-ted-chiang-transcript.html
>
> "It’s capitalism that wants to reduce costs and reduce costs by laying
> people off. It’s not that like all technology suddenly becomes benign in
> this world. But it’s like, in a world where we have really strong social
> safety nets, then you could maybe actually evaluate sort of the pros and
> cons of technology as a technology, as opposed to seeing it through how
> capitalism is going to use it against us. How are giant corporations going
> to use this to increase their profits at our expense?"
>
> On 4/19/21 8:01 AM, uǝlƃ ↙↙↙ wrote:
> > Ha! Sure. ... it still looks like SteveS called it with the Red Queen's
> Race. Even if such tech solves more problems than it creates, it'll still
> be distributed according to the power structures in place (e.g. rich
> people) when the tech's ready to scale.
> >
> > On 4/19/21 7:54 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
> >> Again technology to the rescue...   Nanotechnology for desalinization.
>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> On Behalf Of u?l? ???
> >> Sent: Monday, April 19, 2021 7:45 AM
> >> To: friam at redfish.com
> >> Subject: [FRIAM] water, again (was murder offsets)
> >>
> >> Copper? Natural gas? Pffft! Water's the interesting one.
> >>
> >> https://theconversation.com/interstate-water-wars-are-heating-up-alon
> >> g-with-the-climate-159092
> >>
> >> And another one:
> >> https://www.theolympian.com/news/business/article250595449.html
> >>
> >> On 4/15/21 7:59 AM, uǝlƃ ↙↙↙ wrote:
> >>> Another good example is water rights across states given watersheds,
> >>> flood irrigation, etc.
> >>> <https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/apr/05/arizona-water-one-p
> >>> er
> >>> centers>
> >>>
> >>> So, the question you're asking (how might "storage" in BTC be less
> preferable to other assets?) isn't really answerable *without* first
> discussing what that reservoir is *for*, what end does it serve?
> >
>
> --
> ↙↙↙ uǝlƃ
>
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