[FRIAM] Eternal questions

[Marcus Daniels]

Now this brings to mind “All we have to fear is fear itself.” -- a forecasted, often exaggerated sense of danger.   The stories of people who are gasping for breath in an ICU but are afraid of the public health security state and losing their liberty.

From: Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> On Behalf Of thompnickson2 at gmail.com
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Jochen,

At the risk of being tiresome (the Erics will agree that I am, but for quite different reasons), any object, organic or silicon, that systematically avoids a class of stimuli when those stimuli intrude on them, is doing fear.  Whether they are having fear is a question of language.   But for a Pragmati[ci]st such as myself, the language is crucial insofar as it determines where we will look next in our exploration of the phenomenon.  If we are led to look away from the whole organism and its surroundings, we are missing the boat on fear.

N

Nick Thompson
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From: Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com<mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com>> On Behalf Of Jochen Fromm
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I have a small remote controlled R2D2 robot from Sphero. A present of my wife. If it is remote controlled it behaves as if it has intentions, desires and emotions, but of course it does not. The behavior just mirrors my intentions.
https://youtu.be/YVwszeU3TVI

I would say real emotions are the tool used by genes to control their survival vehicles which work by setting up different levels of action readiness in certain situations (as Nico Frijda says). It should be possible to create artificial emotions that work like this.
https://books.google.com/books/about/The_Emotions.html?id=QkNuuVf-pBMC&redir_esc=y

For example if we want a robot that autocharges itself we must create some sort of "hunger for energy". If we want a robot that protects itself against physical danger we must provide it with a sense of fear.

-J.


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From: Pieter Steenekamp <pieters at randcontrols.co.za<mailto:pieters at randcontrols.co.za>>
Date: 8/23/21 12:05 (GMT+01:00)
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The creators of the Aibo robot dog say it has ‘real emotions and instinct’. This is obviously not true, it's just an illusion.

But then, according to Daniel Dennett, human consciousness is just an illusion.
https://ase.tufts.edu/cogstud/dennett/papers/illusionism.pdf

On Mon, 23 Aug 2021 at 09:18, Jochen Fromm <jofr at cas-group.net<mailto:jofr at cas-group.net>> wrote:
"In today’s AI universe, all the eternal questions (about intentionality, consciousness, free will, mind-body problem...) have become engineering problems", argues this Guardian article.
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2021/aug/10/dogs-inner-life-what-robot-pet-taught-me-about-consciousness-artificial-intelligence

-J.

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