[FRIAM] Fwd: ethical dilemma

[thompnickson2 at gmail.com]

Glen,  

I had never thought of you as a boss, before, with the ethical problems of bossing.  I thought of you more as a lone wolf.  Are you still a boss?

[signed]

Master Thread Bender

Nick Thompson
ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com
https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/

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From: Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> On Behalf Of u?l? ???
Sent: Friday, February 5, 2021 9:14 AM
To: friam at redfish.com
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: ethical dilemma

Yeah, it seems to be on top of whatever other unemployment you would receive. It's not clear to me  how FUTA and SUTA interact. But we've paid for unemployment insurance in different amounts, and different ways in each state we've done business. Oregon's was the most expensive, even above California, if I recall correctly.

As to Dave's question: I think it's important to remember this is an insurance pool. I treat it much the same as health insurance. My principle through my career was to pay into the pool whenever I can and only draw from it if I had to. And that includes voluntary contributions. E.g. here in WA, as an owner/officer, I can opt out if I don't want to collect later on. But we intend to pay in anyway, even though, being the boss, I don't expect to lay myself off. This is, for me, the right ethical choice.

But back in OR, I was struggling to employ more dorks than I could afford. So I'd employ them when I could, then lay them off when I had no money to spare, so they could collect unemployment (and continue their projects, often with equipment my company owned). I sincerely wanted to *fire* one guy [⛧], but chose to lay him off so he could collect. We'd lost his client anyway. So the layoff was justified.

In the end, Jon and Marcus are on the right track. If you think your time is better spent being funded to do something else, then take the unemployment, actually do the something else, and I'd consider it an investment in *our* infrastructure. Or sit on the couch for 8 months eating bon-bons. The actuarial tables cover for that, too. >8^D

[⛧] He actually *threw* the client's equipment around their lab in a fit of rage. I comped the work he'd done before that. So we lost quite a bit of money for that little tantrum. [sigh]

On 2/4/21 9:18 PM, Douglass Carmichael wrote:
> I think it is on top of unemployment.
> 
>> Begin forwarded message:
>>
>> *From: *Marcus Daniels <marcus at snoutfarm.com 
>> <mailto:marcus at snoutfarm.com>>
>> *Subject: **Re: [FRIAM] ethical dilemma*
>> *Date: *February 4, 2021 at 9:15:25 PM PST
>> *To: *The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group 
>> <friam at redfish.com <mailto:friam at redfish.com>>
>> *Reply-To: *The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group 
>> <friam at redfish.com <mailto:friam at redfish.com>>
>>
>> Umm $300 or $400 a week?  Who can live on either?
>>
>>> On Feb 4, 2021, at 7:54 PM, jon zingale <jonzingale at gmail.com <mailto:jonzingale at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Please take it, you are (IMO) more beneficial to us all when you 
>>> have time to think and to contribute how you see fit. Of course, I 
>>> also think that the world will be a very different place in 6 months, vaccine or not.
>>>


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