[FRIAM] yay!

[Marcus Daniels]

I think we should not get so hung up on the dying and going crazy.   The numbers aren't like COVID-19.   There's nothing the wackos could really do to get to numbers like that, other them to kill themselves by eating too many jerky sticks.   There's the national embarrassment aspect that could bleed over into national security, and of course there is the lunatic with the nuke codes.

If a site intends to do something distasteful but not quite illegal, why would they ever tie themselves to platform where it is so trivial to be turned off?  They deserve it just for their lack of foresight. 

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I'd begun preparing this long post saying nothing. So I deleted it. Nick's done a good job, here, except that I completely disagree with his assertion that sought divergence is boring and sophist. Convergence is fine. But often convergence can be premature or artificial. What we (and presumably Peirce) want is *good* convergence ... the right kind of convergence. Convergence at the right rate, with error correcting processes, enough heat to strengthen but not burn the metal, etc. And *that* is ethics. There's a large number of people who've converged on QAnon. Sure, that convergence will *eventually* fade because it's garbage. In the meantime, people are dying and going crazy. What to do in that meantime? How do we diverge from QAnon and settle into a better convergence *sooner* than we would otherwise? Divergence and convergence are not disjoint things, one to be rejected and another adopted.

Anyway, should Parler be deplatformed? Should Gebru have been fired/deplatformed by Google? Should I actually give some eyeball time to OAN just to see what kind of bullsh¡t they say? Should Weinstein have been run out of Evergreen into the welcoming arms of Heterodox?

There's no grand unified ethical program for resolving these questions. That's not what ethics is. We must be (methodological) pluralists. Instead, it's a set of languages and lexicons for naming the components and discussing their relationships. In many ways, having such language *deescalates* conflict because rather than saying some value is "wrong" or "evil", we can call it by its ethics name and bias the convergence so that it satisfices multiple objectives. It's similar to, say, "the disease model of alcoholism". By naming it as a disease, we free up discussion of it from the *converged* concept that alcoholics are simply morally degenerate. And that works even *if* alcoholism is nothing like a disease.

It strikes me that, in these interesting times, we're recognizing that deplatforming has always been A Thing. But because of the state of our culture and technology, we've now identified it and *need* to talk about it. I would claim ethics gives us the language to do so.


On 1/11/21 10:42 AM, thompnickson2 at gmail.com wrote:
> Ok, so, FWIW, a Peircean take on ethics is that it is like any other 
> form of inquiry.  To the extent that the participants are seeking a 
> convergence, it is interesting and useful; to the extent that they are 
> seeking divergence, for its own sake, it is boring and sophistic.  It 
> is in that sense that he regards logic as a subfield of ethics.  Logic is how we "should" think.
> The whole goal of thought, whether ethical or scientific,  is to 
> anticipate experience as it will be, not as we'ld like it to be.

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