[FRIAM] Talent and Moral Luck - Steelman attempt

Wed Jan 13 19:18:48 EST 2021

“Heteronormative?”  

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Nicholas Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology

Clark University

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From: Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> On Behalf Of Eric Charles
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2021 5:29 PM
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Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Talent and Moral Luck - Steelman attempt

Odd... my initial reaction to the synopsis was that it sounded very heteronormative :- D

On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 5:36 PM <thompnickson2 at gmail.com <mailto:thompnickson2 at gmail.com> > wrote:

Uck!  A world without women; would it be SEXIST to say, I think that would be a truly dreary place?  How could it NOT be sexist to say that?  Hmmmm!

Nicholas Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology

Clark University

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From: Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com <mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com> > On Behalf Of Steve Smith
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2021 1:07 PM
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Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Talent and Moral Luck - Steelman attempt

One could drive the cash to a recipient, or send Bitcoin.   There's no requirement of anyone to afford a donor of any particular convenience. 

I submit this apocalyptic tale from Frank Herbert (Dune):

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/93448.The_White_Plague

Relevant Synopsis:   Scientist (microbiologist/virologist) has his wife and daughter(s?) killed in a terrorist (IRA) attack on civilians.   He withdraws from his work, consolidates his assets and builds a biolab in the basement of a farmhouse in Iowa (or similar).  He gene splices a virus that has A) good longevity outside of human body; B) spreads easily and well;  C) kills only women.    He consolidates his remaining assets into small bills; laces them with the virus;  sends modest donations to every front for terrorist organizations he can discover.   He built in a time-out that *should* stop the virus after the appropriate number of generations to kill all of the terrorist/ally women.   This is where all goes awry... a mutation? breaks the timeout and the virus spreads around the world leaving all but a few handfuls of women who happened to be in some kind of isolation (e.g. in space, yachting around the world, etc.) ...  this is the first two chapters or so, the rest (bulk) of the book is post-apocalyptic yadda yadda but with the overtone of all the surviving men in the world having to come to terms with how much they took their women for granted, etc.   

Sadly, I fear this scenario is not nearly as far fetched as it was when he wrote it (80s?)... 

Cross breed this story with Neal Stephenson's "Snow Crash" and you get virus that collapses the world economic system... 

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From: Friam  <mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com> <friam-bounces at redfish.com> On Behalf Of jon zingale
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2021 9:26 AM
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Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Talent and Moral Luck - Steelman attempt

Very well summarized. I am hearing that Nick's question is one of cultural cultivation. Finding and maintaining a sweet spot seems crucial. Is it the responsibility and obligation of those with power to sit at the head of the household, to play the role of daddy to all free persons? I watched a DW broadcast where it was reported that financial services like Stripe no longer allow users to donate money to Donald Trump, and Deutsche Bank has cut business ties with him. The report closed with a broadcaster saying, "Well, it looks like money talks". I couldn't help but think that it was exactly the opposite, a place where money will not. I was left thinking that I could donate money to a felon sitting in prison, but not the exiting president of the United States (not that I have such an ambition). Here pressures on Trump's context are being reformed to reflect a new status for the man. Is this an example of a change in *our attitudes*?

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