[FRIAM] incitement

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I disagree, Marcus.

Each Senator need only ask himself, "Did he take advantage of his office to do things that are substantially beyond it's job description and norms.  If people seriously believed (and could demonstrate) that Obama had abused Executive Orders as a means of accomplishing policy, he could have been impeached, convicted, and removed from office for it, even if he committed no other crime.  The only weasel word in that understanding is "substantially."  I assume we wouldn't impeach a president for ordering a sandwich after hours from the canteen.  

Nick Thompson
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My take:  The trial is performative and the Chief Justice's role ceremonial.   If most want him to go down, he goes down.
Where are the votes, though?
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Right, but that doesn't really answer the question. I suppose it's akin to "living constitution" vs. "originalism". How do we *expect* our individual Senator to make their decision? Does there even need to be any kind of semi-explicit heuristic by which they make such decisions? Can they simply "go with their gut"?

On 1/19/21 10:08 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
> It would certainly hit Benjamin Franklin's assertion that impeachment was for those times when the Executive "rendered himself obnoxious" or Hamilton's "those offences which proceed from the misconduct of men, or in other words, from the abuse or violation of some public trust. They are of a nature which may with peculiar propriety be denominated POLITICAL, as they relate chiefly to injuries done immediately to the society itself."

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